18th Studio Album discussion

Kalata said:
Steve, Bruce and Adrian will always have a desire for new music, and they can tour with it right.
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I was actually thinking about that yesterday. If Maiden were to retire in 2026, what are the members going to do? Steve has British Lion, Bruce has his solo band and Adrian has projects as well. Nicko could still play with Titanium Tart if he gets the itch for a live show. Dave is the one I can see simply retiring and not being involved with new music/live shows anymore. Janick though? For some reason I think he'd continue in some way; no idea how though.
 
Vaenyr said:
One can consider their age, while also trying to analyze the performance as objective as possible.

Yes, it is definitely impressive that these vocalists in their 70s keep being active.

At the same time, simply listening to what they actually sound like, to recordings and videos, does it actually still sound good? Just because what they do is physically impressive, doesn't mean that some of them are a shadow of their former selves. Take Axl Rose* for a somewhat younger example: does his Mickey Mouse-esque voice nowadays sound good? No, it's silly and absurd. Age has taken its toll, but we are engaging with music with our ears, not with clocks.

* = Kinda bad exampe, he always sucked lol
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Oral Sex is kinda different. He had a distinctive and somewhat good voice... in studio. Too bad drug and booze abuse destroyed it even before Guns 'n' Roses embarked for their first tour.
Also, he never learned to properly manage it. Same error made by Kai Hansen.
 
Vaenyr said:
I was actually thinking about that yesterday. If Maiden were to retire in 2026, what are the members going to do? Steve has British Lion, Bruce has his solo band and Adrian has projects as well. Nicko could still play with Titanium Tart if he gets the itch for a live show. Dave is the one I can see simply retiring and not being involved with new music/live shows anymore. Janick though? For some reason I think he'd continue in some way; no idea how though.
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Dave and Tamar live in Hawaii, their daughter is now a grown woman and has her own career but still living in Maui. He has guitars to play around and golf when he wants a break.
Janick is personality-wise quite similar to Dave (offstage). I can totally figure him enjoying a peaceful retirement with his wife. He likes history, photography and traveling and would have plenty of time to do that. Occasionally collaborating with Dylan, if his career takes off.
Also I assume they all have assets so not exactly need to "work" for a living.
 
Murder of Rue Morgue said:
Dave and Tamar live in Hawaii, their daughter is now a grown woman and has her own career but still living in Maui. He has guitars to play around and golf when he wants a break.
Janick is personality-wise quite similar to Dave (offstage). I can totally figure him enjoying a peaceful retirement with his wife. He likes history, photography and traveling and would have plenty of time to do that. Occasionally collaborating with Dylan, if his career takes off.
Also I assume they all have assets so not exactly need to "work" for a living.
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Sure, I wasn't talking about doing it for the money. Steve is doing British Lion because he has fun playing small clubs. So I was thinking more along the lines of having an outlet for creativity and playing for fun.
 
Murder of Rue Morgue said:
Dave and Tamar live in Hawaii, their daughter is now a grown woman and has her own career but still living in Maui. He has guitars to play around and golf when he wants a break.
Janick is personality-wise quite similar to Dave (offstage). I can totally figure him enjoying a peaceful retirement with his wife. He likes history, photography and traveling and would have plenty of time to do that. Occasionally collaborating with Dylan, if his career takes off.
Also I assume they all have assets so not exactly need to "work" for a living.
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Possible. But I find that people often have such ideas and then the reality turns out to be completely different. Remember the rumors about Dave before the last tour and then he appears on stage, smiling and having a good time, and obviously very prepared, not like someone who is doing his duty but not really motivated.

With Steve I also wonder how he wants to bring his ideas, which he always has, to life with British Lion and that's what you want when you have an idea as a musician.
 
I've had feeling for quite a while that Dave would very happily reach for his pipe and slippers.

Janick I'm not so sure about. Pre-covid he was known for popping up in the audience at new music venues in his neighbouring town, which suggests he still has a major interest in music. Plus he'll interfere in his son's music career!
 
Vaenyr said:
Sure, I wasn't talking about doing it for the money. Steve is doing British Lion because he has fun playing small clubs. So I was thinking more along the lines of having an outlet for creativity and playing for fun.
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My impression is that Steve approaches music as a composer, while Dave's mentality is more like that of a player. I can see him put together a cover band with some friends from Maui and play Hendrix at small clubs just for fun and NOBODY knowing about it. While I feel British Lion were (partially) intended by Steve as a way to "feel young" again, playing in pubs, clubs, small venues, etc. Like Smith/Kotzen. Less pretentious, less stressful, just for the fun of it. Put out a new album every now and then, knowing it will sell by default given the names involved, but not pretending to make a living out of it.
One thing in that Iron Maiden always distinguished is that there has never been much gossip around them. No hotel rooms destroyed, no drug abuse, no fast supercars crashed. They never "Americanized" themselves (like Ozzy or Led Zeppelin did, for example). Just five (now six) blokes playing music and living their lives.

Melony said:
Possible. But I find that people often have such ideas and then the reality turns out to be completely different. Remember the rumors about Dave before the last tour and then he appears on stage, smiling and having a good time, and obviously very prepared, not like someone who is doing his duty but not really motivated.

With Steve I also wonder how he wants to bring his ideas, which he always has, to life with British Lion and that's what you want when you have an idea as a musician.
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Personally I never thought those rumors were true.
I mean LOTB lasted four years which seemed too much frankly, and I get that Dave was kinda bored by that (I would've been, if I were him). But in general, post-2015 Dave is having much more fun on stage, so apart from some tragic happenings in private life, I couldn't see him retiring.
 
Trevoire said:
I'm as pessimistic as I've ever been about another album happening.

I know Steve has mentioned still doing albums after the end of the touring life of the band, but I just don't see it happening. Without a tour to support it they'd be essentially burning money to create a product that generates no income. Maiden is a business and brand as much as it's a band these days.
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I don't know...Nightwish just released an album with no intentions of touring it for the next 2-3 years at minimum, plus they just signed a new multi-album deal with Nuclear Blast who had the no-tour information readily at hand--not to mention they used the London Orchestra, which is probably not cheap. So...money's being made somewhere, otherwise that'd be a hard no from any label footing the bill.

I could see Maiden doing it, mainly because new albums (and particularly new Eddie artwork) fuels other revenue streams. Maiden have been doing a LOT more merchandising over the last ten years or so than all the previous years leading up to then. Action figures, statues, Funko Pops, gaming chairs, coolers, sneakers, rubbie-frickin'-duckies--it goes on and on and somewhere, Gene Simmons is getting a boner because of it. Were it not for that, I'd agree.

Onto your first statement about pessimism, I'm in the same boat. I'm pessimistic looking at a realistic timeline. We've got RFYL until 2026, and in theory, an TXF-Senjutsu tour would make sense to finish off their touring cycle (if this is the end). To me, that's a WEIRD way to end it, with just the new stuff and no golden age hits. That tour probably wouldn't sell as well as RFYL unless they're saying it's the last tour (which would boost sales, because...FOMO).

Personally, I don't see where a new album fits in earlier than 2028/9...which is long the life expectancy of a metal band with such a physically demanding way of performing (particularly for Nicko, Bruce, Steve, and Janick--Dave and Adrian never were the biggest showmen). But, I've figured there was no way in hell they'd still be doing it up till 2026, so what do I know.

I always thought Bruce resurrecting his solo career hard at around the same time he said they have plans up until 2026 laid out could be a key piece of information that he MIGHT know something we don't. But again, it's all just speculation. I guess we'll see.
 
I think Nightwish is making a major business error that could prove fatal to the band in a few years, so I'm not sure it's a great comparison. On the other hand, Maiden could make albums without touring and make it work, I just don't really see them having an appetite for that. They are a live band first and foremost after all.
 
Mosh said:
I think Nightwish is making a major business error that could prove fatal to the band in a few years, so I'm not sure it's a great comparison. On the other hand, Maiden could make albums without touring and make it work, I just don't really see them having an appetite for that. They are a live band first and foremost after all.
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Yeah, I haven't heard Steve mention post-touring retirement albums for quite awhile, so who knows if he's still thinking of it these days. You're right, a big point of new music for them has always been to take it on the road.

As for Nightwish, I imagine not touring it is probably a band preservation measure, since Tuomas mentioned recently he's going to start working on the third Auri album and would likely tour that. Maybe Floor doesn't want to tour as much anymore with two kids at home...hard to say. But, an album on its own from them was obviously worth investing in it for Nuclear Blast.
 
Nightwish gets so much airplay on Finnish radio that I think the record company sees more music to keep them relevant as a good investment regardless of if they tour behind the material. There are artists that I know straight-up subsist on the checks they get from radio play because radio's still relatively huge over here.

Touring income would massively eclipse that, but I'm guessing Nuclear Blast's deal with the band doesn't include any modern revenue sharing bullshit on money made from touring which apparently is a thing with newer bands. So it's really the band taking the hit there.
 
Kalata said:
Since we have some new info, is another album likely?
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I hope for another one, for sure, but when I re-listen Hell on Earth I'm like - yeah, Steve said it all lyrically, a perfect send off.
I see them touring Run For Your Lives for couple of years starting next year and then either retiring officially as Iron Maiden or releasing IM18 and then retire without touring the latest 18th album, given the Nicko's age and respecting his condition. (off course, I wish him all the best to recover properly and so, honestly I want them touring and releasing albums till I die, although I'm 31 now, but we have to be real)
 
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