The Israel-Palestine Conflict

pilau said:
Back on topic, Forostar - I personally disagree with this solution. An imposed or UN-enforced solution will cause bitterness on both sides because both will belive the solution is not enough and that it took away their option/ability to achive a better solution on their own.
Click to expand...

Of course both parties should get a chance, but they have had so many in the past already. It can't go on forever. The situation will only become worse if there'll be no change.

pilau said:
I feel that both sides should, however how hard it is, do whatever they can to achieve a peaceful agreement on their own,
Click to expand...

So it can go on like this for another 40 years? It's really time for a deadline. That is, if you realize what's going on.

pilau said:
otherwise the wounds won't heal and thus the conflict wouldn't really end.
Click to expand...

Most wounds are wide open at the moment, and they hardly can get more open if some people will have their human rights back. For some people the wounds will never heal anyway, now or then, so too bad for them.
Let them look at the Balkan. At least the conflict has ended in the Balkan, some of those states are going for membership of the EU. And they can live and move freely. They have access to medicins and water and have no rockets fired on them anymore.

pilau said:
This is how I and I'm certain that if I ask people here they will react the same way.
Click to expand...

That's fine but the international community has also a voice. They had it when the Dutch were"asked" to leave Indonesia, and I guess there are more examples (if the Balkan isn't convincing enough!).
 
pilau said:
Hell! Now I can't read spoilers on my cellphone :(
Click to expand...

It was a reservation number : +972-3-68.56.859  ;)

Forostar said:
Most wounds are wide open at the moment, and they hardly can get more open if some people will have their human rights back. For some people the wounds will never heal anyway, now or then, so too bad for them. Let them look at the Balkan. At least the conflict has ended in the Balkan, some of those states are going for membership of the EU.
And they can live and move freely. They have access to medicins and water and have no rockets fired on them anymore.
Click to expand...

*sighs*
There will never be a full-stop in Balkans, Foro.....................
 
It's better living out there than on Palestinian land.

edit:
My point is, when two parties really can't settle a matter and there's a lot of human suffering involved, there's the best possible solution initiated by the international community. Perhaps not a perfect solution but the best possible.

History has proved it.
 
Forostar said:
My point is, when two parties really can't settle a matter and there's a lot of human suffering involved, there's the best possible solution initiated by the international community. Perhaps not a perfect solution but the best possible.
Click to expand...

And so far, the international community has failed miserably in the Near East.
 
I won't deny that Perun. But I feel there's more balance and less unconditional support for Israel.

Yes, no_5, that's a sad thing. But (here we go again) the international community has showed interest to help the isolated victims among the ruins.
 
Forostar said:
I won't deny that Perun. But I feel there's more balance and less unconditional support for Israel.
Click to expand...

It's never been different.

There's always been a party that sides with Israel, a party that sides with Palestine and the Arab world, and a neutral party that tries to negotiate. I once saw a newspaper from the day I was born, and the headline was "new attempt at peace in the Near East". 23 years later, I noticed a newspaper with literally the same headline.
 
Foro, the thing is I just don't belive both sides did all they can to solve the conflict. I think that Israel should give back the occupied territories - yes I'm an Israeli that belives in this, and the Palestinians and the Muslim world should acknowldge the Israeli state as a Jewish state that's not going anywhere and of course the Jewish people as the nation within that state.
 
pilau said:
Foro, the thing is I just don't belive both sides did all they can to solve the conflict. I think that Israel should give back the occupied territories - yes I'm an Israeli that belives in this, and the Palestinians and the should acknowldge the Israeli state as a Jewish state that's not going anywhere and of course the Jewish people as the nation within that state.
Click to expand...

*bows deep*
 
Forostar said:
*bows deep*
Click to expand...
Lol thanks :)
Regarding Jeruralem, I don't exactly understand the meaning of an 'international city' but I think it should be equally devided between the two states. And of course because peace will prevail, movement between the two parts of the city should be somewhat limitless - but I don't know how're they going to achive this.
 
pilau said:
Regarding Jeruralem, I don't exactly understand the meaning of an 'international city' but I think it should be equally devided between the two states. And of course because peace will prevail, movement between the two parts of the city should be somewhat limitless - but I don't know how're they going to achive this.
Click to expand...

That doesn't work, unfortunately. It's been tried, and after 16 years, they came up with this:

bgate_wall.jpg
 
Yes, it is.  There's actually segments of it scattered throughout the world now.  Truro, NS (where the Duke and I grew up) has six segments.  Six terrifying pieces of concrete history.
 
They have a good-sized chunk of the Berlin Wall at the Reagan Presidential Library and museum in Southern California.  I got goosebumps. 

Sidenote:  It is well worth a visit to this museum if you are in the area, regardless of your political affiliation.  The highlight is his version of Air Force One -- not a replica, the actual plane.  You get to walk through it.  Less posh than you'd think. 
 
Funny you mention the wall. Getting rid of it is the positive aspect and in November it will be memorated all over the world.

That other damned wall also has to be destroyed (or moved) in order to restore the borders.

The pieces can be given to Iran, Burma and China.
 
You guys obviously didn't get my point.

Berlin was an international city from 1945 until 1961. It was under special American, British, French and Soviet administration. Then the wall was built and free access was gone. Berlin was no longer an international city.

The idea is, if a single people can do something like this to themselves, then what are two completely distinct peoples such as Israelis and Palestinians able to?
 
Perun said:
The idea is, if a single people can do something like this to themselves, then what are two completely distinct peoples such as Israelis and Palestinians able to?
Click to expand...

I am sorry, per, I still don't get ya. Can you clarify what you mean?
 
I believe Perun is suggesting that an international city will eventually lead to countries taking sides, and the city becoming little more than a symbol of the ongoing struggle between Palestinians and Israelis.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top