The Israel-Palestine Conflict

Foreign attitude towards Israel becomes more negative every time though.

The Foreign Secretary William Hague said Israel risked losing international sympathy if it repeated the ground invasion of January 2009, but he repeated his insistence that Hamas bore "principal responsibility" for the violence.

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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan described Israel as a "terrorist state", citing the "massacre of children" during its bombardments of Gaza.
 
Yeah, hate, hate, kill, kill.

In my opinion, there is one way, and one way only there will ever be peace in this region.

Step One: Find some remote savage tribe from the Amazon or Siberia. Some tribe that has absolutely no connection or interest in the region, neither ethnically nor religiously. Make them develop nuclear weapons.

Step Two: I call this "Operation Noah's Ark". Build four huge ships. Put all Palestinians on one ship. Put all Israelis on another one. Put all animals living in the region on the third, and dig out all plants there and put them on the fourth. Sail them somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic and let them drift in four different directions. Somebody will pick them up.

Step Three: Make the Amazon or Siberian tribe nuke the hell out of the territory. All life is spared because it's on the Atlantic now; but the region becomes forever uninhabitable thanks to radioactive pollution. All cities are destroyed, that despicable piece of shit called Jerusalem is reduced to dust. Good riddance too, because this region has brought nothing but hate and suffering over mankind.
 
Since that's way off, Perun, there won't ever be peace in the region. There won't ever be peace in the world, actually. War is everywhere that features human race since the battlefields are in humanity's minds and bodies.
 
War is part of our nature. We are a jealous, egocentric species. You know when the conflict will end? Either Maya Calendar is right and we all have one month and something to live, thank God (bs cof cof), or we need the help of Mother Nature, by cutting their lands with a rushed and urgent push.
 
Mayan Calendar actually doesn't state that the world is coming to an end in 21th of December, 2012, it just talks about a transition to a new period in humanity's life which can't be interpreted as doomsday since it states that there has been 12 other transitions as well.

Out of topic, but still.
 
It is interesting (and great) that the Iron Dome seems to be working quite well in knocking down some of these rockets being fired into Israel.
 
We have the same two problems we always do. 1) Israel stomps on an ant with a fucking bus, thus killing everyone around the ant. 2) Hamas will take the ceasefire for 6 months, then start shooting again. Or another cell of the Hamas terrorist organization will sprout up. Because Israel hit Gaza with a bus last time, there's no shortage of martyrs, so they gleefully start shooting into Israel.

Then the bus comes back. It's the chicken and the motherfucking egg, really. The only solution that makes sense is the two-state solution, but the problem is that won't be enough for Hamas. Nothing will ever be enough for Hamas. The key is to make it so Palestinians don't want to join Hamas.
 
I am in an "angry at the world"-mode this evening. On and on Israel builds.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20577273
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20585706

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This time it would cut any future Palestinian state in half. Hardliner Netanyahu is not making himself very popular abroad, but I wonder if he will be re-elected again.
 
I don't understand the motivation for this ever-continuing building of settlements on what most agree is occupied land. It is going to make the Palestinians less keen on a peaceful solution, it will make Western support for Israel weaker and it creates a larger need for military protection. In reality it seems like a very slow annexation of the West Bank.
 
Fine, more "indirect" action in this settlements matter.

Netherlands calls on stores to label products from Israeli settlements

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netherlands-calls-on-stores-to-label-products-from-israeli-settlements.premium-1.508024

Dutch follow British lead, but emphasize it is not illegal to import goods from territories. Other European countries expected to follow suit in coming weeks.

The Dutch government has for the first time called for retail chains in the Netherlands to state the origin of products from West Bank settlements, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. This makes the Netherlands, one of Israel’s greatest friends in Europe, the second country in the European Union, after Britain, to recommend such labeling.

The Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs issued a directive Wednesday to all retail chains in the country, stating that it wished to clarify procedures regarding the labeling of products from the settlements and to assist consumers. “The decision was made after consulting the European Commission,” the document said.

The letter states that the government is recommending the label change but that no steps will be taken against retails who do not comply, and that it is not illegal to import products from the settlements.
The document calls for the labeling of the following products: fresh fruit and vegetables, wine, honey, olive oil, fish, meat, chicken, eggs and cosmetics produced in the Golan Heights, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. These products should no longer state on their packaging that they are made in Israel. Rather, they should be labeled as originating in “Israeli settlement in the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, the West Bank or in Palestinian territories,” the directive states. Retailers, not importers, will be responsible for the labeling.

The Netherlands’ foreign minister, Frans Timmermans, said in a speech to parliament Wednesday that the settlements are illegal and an obstacle to peace. He said that the labeling of products by retail chains in Holland will allow consumers to know whether they want to purchase these products. “We do not want to contribute to the economy of the illegal settlements,” Timmermans said.

The Dutch government’s decision came following a letter sent on February 22 by the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton to the 27 foreign ministers of the EU member states. In the letter, which was quoted by the Hebrew daily Maariv, she urged the foreign ministers to ensure full compliance with existing EU legislation on labeling products from Israeli settlements and noted that compliance was incumbent on EU members and the appropriate agencies in those countries.

A source in Israel’s Foreign Ministry said that after Ashton sent the letter, Israel’s ambassadors in EU countries were instructed to unofficially approach the foreign ministries of the countries in which they are serving and ask them not to implement the directives at this time. The ambassadors also asked those countries to urge Ashton to rescind her directive.

Israel’s ambassador to the Netherlands, Haim Divon, approached senior officials in the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs in The Hague to express displeasure over Ashton’s letter. Divon said that although the directive speaks only of labeling products from the settlements, it will lead to a boycott against such products and perhaps against Israeli products in general.

Divon said that many Dutch companies will not understand the government’s recommendation and will interpret it as a binding ban on products from the settlements. Divon told the senior officials that “obsessive preoccupation with the settlements had exceeded all proportion” and that “the European Union is taking out its frustration with the situation in the Middle East on us.”

The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs told Divon that the labeling of the products was a logical step in light of EU policy on the matter. They said they do not support a total ban on products from the settlements or on Israeli products in general, and they would work to ensure that this did not happen.

A government recommendation to label products from the settlements has been issued so far only in Britain. The Danish government studied the matter but has yet to take action. The fact that Holland was the second country to issue the directives is surprising, because of the close and friendly relations between Holland and Israel.

The Netherlands, considered one of Israel’s key supporters in the EU, has promoted adding Hezbollah to the EU’s list of terror groups and supports Israel in votes in various international forums. It has also helped Israel balance anti-Israel decisions in the EU.

Thus, it is believed that the Dutch move will push many other EU countries to take similar steps. The concern is that as early as the coming weeks a wave of such moves will be seen, leading to a dramatic increase in the monitoring of products from the settlements in the EU.
 
Let's hope John Kerry can get Israel and the Palestinians on the table again.
Meanwhile, the Israeli keep disgusting me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0UJ20130620


(Reuters) - A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.

"Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released," it said in a report.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry said it had responded to a report by the U.N. children's agency UNICEF in March on ill-treatment of Palestinian minors and questioned whether the U.N. committee's investigation covered new ground.

"If someone simply wants to magnify their political bias and political bashing of Israel not based on a new report, on work on the ground, but simply recycling old stuff, there is no importance in that," spokesman Yigal Palmor said.

Kirsten Sandberg, a Norwegian expert who chairs the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child, said the report was based on facts, not on the political opinions of its members.

"We look at what violations of children's rights are going on within Israeli jurisdiction," she told Reuters.

She said Israel did not acknowledge that it had jurisdiction in the occupied territories, but the committee believed it does, meaning it has a responsibility to comply with the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The report by its 18 independent experts acknowledged Israel's national security concerns and noted that children on both sides of the conflict continue to be killed and wounded, but that more casualties are Palestinian.

Most Palestinian children arrested are accused of throwing stones, which can carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, the committee said.

The watchdog examined Israel's record of compliance with the children's rights convention as part of its regular review of the pact from 1990 signed by 193 countries, including Israel. An Israeli delegation attended the session.

The U.N. committee regretted what it called Israel's persistent refusal to respond to requests for information on children in the Palestinian territories and occupied Syrian Golan Heights since the last review in 2002.

"DISPROPORTIONATE"

"Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed and thousands injured over the reporting period as a result of (Israeli) military operations, especially in Gaza," the report said.

Israel battled a Palestinian uprising during part of the 10-year period examined by the committee.

It withdrew its troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip in 2005, but still blockades the Hamas-run enclave, from where Palestinian militants have sometimes fired rockets into Israel.

During the 10-year period, an estimated 7,000 Palestinian children aged 12 to 17, but some as young as nine, had been arrested, interrogated and detained, the U.N. report said.

Many are brought in leg chains and shackles before military courts, while youths are held in solitary confinement, sometimes for months, the report said.

It voiced deep concern at the "continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants", saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.

Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.

Almost all had remained unpunished or had received lenient sentences, according to the report.

Sandberg, asked about Israeli use of human shields, said: "It has been done more than they would recognize during the dialogue. They say if it happens it is sanctioned. We say it is not harsh enough."
 
Not really --I was just observing how much mistrust there seems to be in regard to the information presented in literally any Israel-critical article, anywhere. It makes debate very difficult. There seems to be no starting point of agreement at all; unless you consider being called anti-Semitic a good starting point. The Israel Government, like many governments the world over (inc. the UK or US Governments, for example), seem worthy of criticism, in regard to some things.
 
I get what you're saying. Some people think they should mistrust UN reports in general.

The things mentioned in this case are very serious and it fits in the pattern of over(re)acting that is going on there.
 
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