Metallica

After how many years does the term "in a row" lose all meaning?

Yeah I see your point. But after AJFA and up to St. Anger they still did 4 albums in 12 years (not including Garage) which isn't a bad average, time-wise.
I might be not the best judge here because I'm one of those 'anything post AJFA sucks' kind of Metallica fans, Black->Load->Reload->St. Anger just goes bad to worse to even more. Regardless of what you think of those post 1989 efforts, the quality curve started dropping down and it just superficially recovered with DM. What fans of Metallica's 90s and I usually argue about is just the starting point of that curve.

As fun as it is to hate on Metallica, I really think they just prefer playing live. They've never been big songwriters and only really wrote a handful of great songs. It was always about the live show with them and they still bring it.

Isn't that the definition of a cabaret act?
 
My preferences are weird. My favourites are Justice and Ride, Black is so-so (it bores me more often than not), Load is good but forgettable, ReLoad is amazing, maybe even better than Kill as far as I'm concerned, St. Anger sounds like shit though I enjoy it when I'm in the mood and Magnetic is good in theory, but the actual album gets a spin from me every few months at most (it would seem I last heard it in early 2014, so...)
 
Isn't that the definition of a cabaret act?
If you use Janick's definition then yea I suppose. But Iron Maiden is a band that still clearly has a lot of creativity left in them and if they did nothing but nostalgia tours it'd be a bit of a waste. Metallica clearly has no creativity left and seem to hate making albums, so why waste their time and then rip off the fans with a half assed album? I'd rather them stick with what they're best at (live concerts).
 
I'm in a Metallica mood these days, listening to all their albums during the past week.
They were one of my first favorite bands that I've listened to since I was 13 years old, and I still really love their music (most of it anyway, Lulu will never be a good album.) And they will always be one of my top favorite bands.

I admire their will to experiement and do what they feel and want to do. And I'm really looking forward to hear their new album! However, I've never seen them live yet...
 
Rumour appeared that new album could be out on October 14th.
However, after listening to "Lords of Summer" again and hearing what Lars has to say about the album:
"It definitely sounds like METALLICA. It's probably a little less frenetic than the last record. The last one [producer] Rick Rubin really encouraged us to for the first time be inspired by our past. It was the first time we sort of looked in the rearview mirror. This time around it's a little bit of a different thing."
Ulrich continued: "We're not working with Rick, we're working with the engineer from the last record, who's producing, Greg Fidelman. So there's some of the same production elements at play, but we're expanding a little bit on the sonics. It's probably a bit more of a diverse record than the last one. It's exciting, but I don't have quite the perspective yet."
Ulrich also addressed the eight-year gap between studio albums, the longest of the band's career, by saying: "I think what's happened is our families and our domestic responsibilities are so important to us now, so we just have a new model. We're sort of constantly doing something but never to the point of the needle going in the red, but METALLICA really hasn't sort of shut down since around 2005, and it's a model that works for us."
: "We never work at 110 percent to the point where we drive ourselves nuts, but are sort of constantly working at two-thirds, you know — when we make the record we're writing and we're recording, but we're doing it incrementally. There's always stuff going on. It's the way we like it. It keeps us engaged."
"You know, METALLICA, in order for it to be true and pure and honest, has to be fun," he said. "And so the days of, you know, writing for a year and then recording for a year and then going on the road for three years — those kind of endlessly long cycles — they're just behind us. I don't think we have the stamina to do anything for those elongated periods of time any longer."
I couldn't be more underwhelmed.

 
I don't have massive expectations from the new album. But I'm curious about it nevertheless.

I would really prefer them to go for a more compact songwriting approach a la Black Album, Load and ReLoad instead busting out a thousand riffs in a song but doubt it'll happen.
 
I for one am excited about the lack of Rick Rubin. He is cancer to records nowadays. I don't wanna another throwback-lite album like Death Magnetic. It sounds hollow.
 
They're the complete opposite of polished and sterile on album IMO.
 
I would really prefer them to go for a more compact songwriting approach a la Black Album, Load and ReLoad instead busting out a thousand riffs in a song but doubt it'll happen.

You could be in for a treat then because (from what I could read) that's exactly what they've been announcing. I wish it was more like DM. Not their best overall, but their best since AJFA. And those first 3 songs were incredibly fun to play on guitar.

On Metallica playing live VS Metallica studio: honestly, playing live doesn't mean shit if you keep overplaying the same songs. They've been touring constantly for the last 8 years, and only released 1 song in between (as far as I know they didn't do anything live to promote Lulu - good choice). And it backfired on the last tour (Metallica on Request) - no matter what the city, songs that were voted were already overplayed and heard in the last 8 years.
 
Well, people usually say Metallica didn't put up anything new in 8 years and forget about Lulu. Collaborations and projects like that usually just end up in studio and rarely get live performance. That being said, it is a one-off project, but still it's also some kind of Metallica's "new material". And it's awfull. I forced myself several times to hear the whole album and just couldn't make it. It's that bad.

But I would like to rant a litlle about their touring:
I saw them in '09 promoting DM, it was an indoor gig, stage in the center, awesome concert. Saw them one year later, stadium gig, also awesome concert. I think the second one was also being anounced as DM tour, but the thing is (and this is what I like about them) they keep changing the setlist from gig to gig. So no matter what gig you attended on that tour you're going to hear some "deep cuts". Even if the second gig was the same DM tour, setlists between those 2 gigs were really different. After that one (in 2012 if I'm correct) they had Black album 25 anniversary tour, with Snake pits and so on. Again something different. And then comes the next 3 years where they played the same songs that people already heard in last 4 years with the same production. And this is the reson:

I will aplaud them for trying to do something new, but that eventually backfired on them at the end. Orion+more festival and the movie was a complete financial catastrophy. At that point even Lars said they were in the red and had to keep touring to balance things out. And then they did Metallica by request (which in some cities ended with the same setlist that it was a year or two in that same city) and Lords of Summer tour, again - the same setlist that was 5-6 years ago with the new song (which is boring IMO). Metallica, at this point, can announce a gig anywere in the world and sell out 20,000 with no "actual reason" (no new album, no anniversary album) and people will come just because "it's Metallica". And that's lame, IMO. I do understand decision to just keep touring for 2-3 years to rise up financialy but it seems like they had no idea how to make that tours interesting.

I skipped the Black album anniversary because that isn't really my cup of tea, but was planning to see them both in '14 and '15. On by request tour in '14 the gigs that I've wanted to see had 2 songs that I haven't heard on previos 2 gigs (a week-two before the gig setlist was almost complete, there were no major changes on most of the gigs), and in '15 tour, reviewing the past dates and setlists I've come to conlcusion that the gig I'm planing to go to is going to have maybe 1 song that I haven't heard on previous gigs and I was right. So why would I pay big bucks to see almost "exactly the same" gig (same stage production, one different song in setlist) that I've seen 3-4 years ago? I've only did that once and was Roger Water's the Wall but that was a one off project and at least first time was in arena, second time on stadium. Metallica, being big as they are, should somehow confirm their "greatness" at least with the shows, if they're not putting any new albums. But last 3-4 year their tours were a complete boredom, atleast IMO.
 
Well, I know I'm in an extreme minority but I love Lulu. So much so that I bought 4 editions (Amazon slip cd, vinyl, big books and bog-roll tube, the last 3 at discount price). To me it's their best work alongside Justice and Death Magnetic, the other records mostly sounding old and tired nowadays.
 
Well, I know I'm in an extreme minority but I love Lulu. So much so that I bought 4 editions (Amazon slip cd, vinyl, big books and bog-roll tube, the last 3 at discount price). To me it's their best work alongside Justice and Death Magnetic, the other records mostly sounding old and tired nowadays.
You are an even more extreme minority than you claim to be.
 
Honestly I think their only truly great albums are Ride the Lightning and maybe Master of Puppets. Everything else they did was uneven at best. But that's just me.
 
Honestly I think their only truly great albums are Ride the Lightning and maybe Master of Puppets. Everything else they did was uneven at best. But that's just me.
Personally, I think "Kill 'Em All" is a fantastic album and one of the best debut albums by any band. I also rate "...And Justice" highly.
 
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/friday-marks-25th-anniversary-of-metallica-black-album/

When it first released, I hated it. Hated the fact that now EVERYBODY loved Metallica suddenly and I thought it was a sell-out, even though I liked the sound quality of how strong the drums and bass were in the mix. However, through the years, I appreciate it now. The band had to grow up to move up to the next level and this was what they did. Good strong album.
 
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