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Death metal isn’t my preferred metal genre not because of the vocals — I think they’re great when used right — but simply that the songs can blur together for me. I think people massively understate growlers though. It is a vocal approach that is hard as hell to master.

But I always take albums and songs and consider them on their own bases. I’ve never come across a genre of music I didn’t like something from.
 
This is how I always imagine death metal would sound with clean/hero vocals:



OK, just kidding!, Bt you can imagine now why the growls fit so well to the lyrics even if there's many good clean singers (Chuck Schuldiner for example) :lol:
 
Am I the only one here who gets tired of these constant complaints on non-clean vocal work? I realize people may not like 'em, but I do not constantly need to read this handicap. Non-clean vocals are part of the metal genre, by far and wide integrated in several subgenres, since the eighties. They often fit the music and atmosphere. There are several grunters/screamers I do not like but I'd never disqualify all music containing non-clean vocals, whichever variety is present.

I guess I better skip such posts from now on. It is getting predictable.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, but I don't feel like complaining anymore because no one's gonna change their mind + it's just a freaking game.
It's kinda like 80 year old grandpas listening to Dio or Halford and saying: "Bah! this ain't singing! This is shouting and squealing!". The close minded approach of some younger listeners is a case study indeed (for those who have the patience to do so... not me for sure).
This is the best possible response too, and why I'm saddened by all the extreme metal hatred (and I already wrote about it like 200 pages ago in this game :P).
 
As someone who only dips his toe into the extreme metal pond, I understand both sides of this argument.

I love extreme vocals if they make sense and if they are well done. I’m also a vocal snob. I have an incredibly particular taste when it comes to tone, timbre, range, etc (for clean or extreme vocalists). I’ve simply found that most extreme singers don’t suit my liking. If there’s any shrieky, black metal tones happening, I just don’t like it. No amount of great music is gonna make me like it. Just like no amount of great music is gonna make me like Ripper Owens. I just don’t like their voices.

I always come back to Opeth as my favorite example because the extreme vocals feel motivated musically and lyrically. If the band just has extreme vocals just because, I find that it doesn’t fit. If you’re singing about anything other than demons ripping apart flesh, than I’m probably less likely to find your extreme vocals motivated.

Extreme vocals are just a piece of the whole, but they are certainly one of the first things to turn me off a lot of bands.
 
If there's a He-Man (power metal, classic metal) there's also a Skeletor (Exteme metal)

:lol: :lol: :p

And we all know who is best!

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This totally comes back to my already stated point about harsh vocals being a great servant, but a terrible master. Or, well, to be a great seasoning but a terrible main course.

I can and do enjoy quite a bit of harsh vocals, but mainly when it's balanced with other vocal performance (Opeth, Swallow the Sun, SOAD) or in other way when it's mostly a part of a general whole that is just as harsh and uncompromising (Cattle Decapitation) or if they buy themselves out with other stuff (Death). The problem with the latter examples is that these are never gonna be my favourite bands. They lack the variety.
I think I already made the comparison - you might not want to listen to a whole a cappella album (of regular singing performance), you might find it boring, but still, you'd probably be able to listen to it. Only a seriously damaged person would want to (or even be able to) listen to a growling a cappella album.

So yes, I'm not a fan in general. I admit there's a lot of nuance and a lot of great work and training behind that, but still, it's too out there, too limited. And a great growler is still going to be under a competent singer in my book. At least somewhat.

And I even agree with him here

Plus they’re completely non-melodic, so they’re inherently more limited in what they can offer vs. melodic vocals, or even vs. rap vocals, which they frankly have more in common with.
(well, not completely non-melodic, but largely, I'd say)

But like I said, I can get the appeal, which is why Jer's consistent whining grates on me as well. Yeah, I read what he wrote about it. But I'm much more interested in people willing to overcome their biases.

I am taste-wise very boomer-y myself. Yet I can appreciate the harsh vocals if they really fit. Or - at least - they won't make me rank something lower because of them. And that's from a huge Jim Croce fan. Take from that what you will.
 
Can we also move focus away from death metal vocals as the "perpetrator" here and aknowledge that there's a TON of absolutely talentless clean singers in metal as well. Singers who do nothing but wail in the same tone throughout and all trying to sound like Kiske and Dickinson? :D
 
Can we also move focus away from death metal vocals as the "perpetrator" here and aknowledge that there's a TON of absolutely talentless clean singers in metal as well. Singers who do nothing but wail in the same tone throughout and all trying to sound like Kiske and Dickinson? :D
See, I was ready to agree with you, but then you put Dickinson and Kiske in the same category...
 
See, I was ready to agree with you, but then you put Dickinson and Kiske in the same category...

I put them in the same category as both belonging to "clean singers" and "extremely popular and infuential" :lol::lol: But I do understand where you were going....

You can't put death metal singers in the same category either. Just for the record! The span between singers in DM is just as wide :nonono:<_< :lol:
 
I put them in the same category as both belonging to "clean singers" and "extremely popular and infuential" :lol::lol: But I do understand where you were going....

You can't put death metal singers in the same category either. Just for the record! The span between singers in DM is just as wide :nonono:<_<
I’d say, regardless of my personal opinion, the most influential singers in metal are definitely Dickinson, Halford, Dio, and Ozzy.
 
I'm much more interested in people willing to overcome their biases.
There’s a premise baked into this that seems to assume that the only reason I would dislike extreme vocals is because I have some kind of unfair bias that I have failed to overcome. It doesn’t entertain the possibility that I have listened with an open mind over and over and over again and just don’t find anything at all to like about them. That somehow this is not a valid conclusion for me to reach.

You can accuse me of many things, but I have endured the crucible of listening to every single one of these extreme metal albums in the GMAC, and I think my comments on them have been open and honest. There are a small handful that I’ve genuinely liked or come close to liking despite their extreme vocals, and others whose extreme vocals were pretty inoffensive even if I didn’t like the music, and I’ve acknowledged all of those as they’ve come up. To suggest that I haven’t given this stuff a fair shot would be pretty ridiculous.
 
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