Game Of Thrones

How the fuck did they not see the Greyjoy fleet at Dragonstone? And surely Euron noticed that Tyrion knew about Cersei's pregnancy meaning she lied to him about the baby being his.
 
I'm still shook.

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Rheagar's death was truly out of nowhere and gruesome. I felt like if I was watching a video of someone mistreating a dog or something. Complete shock. The other death was whatever to me. Malisandre wasn't really a key character as of late. She was one of Dany's first advicers, but she was eclipsed by Tyrion and Varis. Her being Grey Worm's love interest was... meh. So she died... so what.

Aside from the dragon's death what really shook me, spoke to me was Jaime's departure. At the beginning of the show we all hated Jaime, for the simple fact he was a Lannister, for everyone else hating him for being THE Kingslayer, for all the horrible things he did because of Cersei or on his own. But at this point, we see Jaime (or should), the way Breanne sees Jaime, if not "a good man," at least an honorable one. We know his version of events for killing the Mad King, while twisted, we get that he truly loves Cersei, but in the end... he is honorable. He has shown that and if that redeems him as "a good man," to Breanne... I'm OK with that.

It broke my heart that HE doesn't see himself that way. It was sooo relatable. Whether because of my depression or just putting things in perspective... I don't consider myself a "good person." Sometimes I can't accept a compliment from my girlfriend, because I think, "I've done all these shitty things... ans still she love me... wtf?" Now, I never had sex with a relative, murdered people or pushed a child from a tower... but still... it doesn't make them any less shitty and sometimes, even after all these years... I feel shame.

That one scene showed the power of forgiveness. How important it is to forgive OURSELVES. Many have forgiven Jaime, but Jaime hasn't forgiven himself and leaves to face a possible death believing he DESERVES it. How sad. We can't carry with our sins forever, no matter how minor. I felt for him and I hope he lives to enjoy his redemption. He is clearly remorseful of his past actions, whatever is left for him to do I hope he lives so he can finally have peace.
 
The Jaime/Brienne scenes and the Arya/Hound scenes were great. Everything else in this episode was actual filler and poor, poor plotting. It was the opposite of episode 2, which was a similar transition episode but done so much better. The writing here was just shit. The action sequences make no sense. How do two dragons not notice a giant fleet of ships around a rather small island? How, after having one of your dragons killed by that fleet, do you not take the other dragon, swing around the island, and burn the entire fleet from behind?! They're big ships, they can't just turn around and point their weapons at you/shoot their sails? I legitimately don't understand what happened to the military strategy on this show. It's fucking trash now.

I don't like the Jon/Dany angst, because it's setting up the end of this show to be either one of them fighting the other or one of them backing down and living as a servant of the other. I don't know. I wish George RR Martin was writing the end of this series instead pretending to write the next book.
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
How do two dragons not notice a giant fleet of ships around a rather small island? How, after having one of your dragons killed by that fleet, do you not take the other dragon, swing around the island, and burn the entire fleet from behind?! They're big ships, they can't just turn around and point their weapons at you/shoot their sails?
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Hilariously the show writers tried to explain that Dany "kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet", despite the fact that they were clearly marked on the map she was reading at the beginning of the episode. :facepalm:

MrKnickerbocker said:
I wish George RR Martin was writing the end of this series instead pretending to write the next book.
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Apparently, when the series overtook the books GRRM gave them three "shock" moments from the upcoming books to use in the series. First two were Shireen being burned by the Red Woman and "Hold the Door". So, assuming we haven't seen it already (if so, I missed it) there's still one streak of brilliance left in this series.
 
Edington said:
Apparently, when the series overtook the books GRRM gave them three "shock" moments from the upcoming books to use in the series. First two were Shireen being burned by the Red Woman and "Hold the Door". So, assuming we haven't seen it already (if so, I missed it) there's still one streak of brilliance left in this series.
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The Night King’s Death by Arya wasn’t a shock moment?
 
I don't understand the length of the episodes. The show runners said it wasn't possible to do two 10 episode seasons with what was left. The two episodes we have could've been split into 2. Especially this last one.
 
They are probably sick of working on this show and want to move on. They also don't know how to write this show, so they want to move on.
 
Black Bart said:
Strange as it seems, there should be
a new character that has yet to appear, according to this rather serious source: https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Toby_Osmond. Could it be Azor Ahai? Yet, his looks could make me think of a vengeful royal from Dorne
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It was stated that Dorne was siding with Daenerys in the last episode. Perhaps the Dornish armies will attack King's Landing next episode.
 
Collin said:
It was stated that Dorne was siding with Daenerys in the last episode. Perhaps the Dornish armies will attack King's Landing next episode.
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...which would further complicate the issue of where Jamie Lannister's loyalty lies :)
 
Has anyone read any leaks for this series and if so, how accurate have they been? I remember reading a leak a while before series 7 started and thinking it was bad fan fiction. I forgot about it by the time the series started, but once it had finished I went back and read it again. Lo and behold, it was all true...
 
Edington said:
Has anyone read any leaks for this series and if so, how accurate have they been? I remember reading a leak a while before series 7 started and thinking it was bad fan fiction. I forgot about it by the time the series started, but once it had finished I went back and read it again. Lo and behold, it was all true...
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I'm not interested in leaks -that would actual spoiling and I don't see the point- but I find some fan assumptions and theories rather well thought-out.
 
Edington said:
Has anyone read any leaks for this series and if so, how accurate have they been? I remember reading a leak a while before series 7 started and thinking it was bad fan fiction. I forgot about it by the time the series started, but once it had finished I went back and read it again. Lo and behold, it was all true...
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I have. They have been accurate, and that doesn't bode well for the remaining two episodes. I can't believe how bad this show will end.
 
Poto said:
I have. They have been accurate, and that doesn't bode well for the remaining two episodes. I can't believe how bad this show will end.
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Not a leak, per se, but a plausible rumor I've heard involves...
the Iron Bank arriving on the scene and calling the Lannister debt at a critical moment in the war, thus tipping the outcome, "deus ex machina" style.
 
Cornfed Hick said:
Not a leak, per se, but a plausible rumor I've heard involves...
the Iron Bank arriving on the scene and calling the Lannister debt at a critical moment in the war, thus tipping the outcome, "deus ex machina" style.
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I was under the impression that debt had been fully paid off using Lannister gold? From memory Cersei might have taken out another one, but she repaired relations fairly well it seemed and the Iron Bank isn't that stupid so I can't see it happening
 
I thought Tywin confessed the Lannisters didn't have any gold, that they had run out long ago.
 
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