Coronavirus

The_7th_one said:
I'd like it but you're wrong. We're close to 8000 cases and 300 deaths. I think we're going to pass South Corea very soon.
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I'm not saying that you're fine.

But 7948 cases with 292 deaths and 517 recovered, means your testing is more thorough than French, who have 4499 cases with 91 deaths and only 17 recovered, who, I assume, are only testing the worse cases and had mass gatherings yesterday after they announced bars are closing after today.

France could be worse than you in a week.

The only big Euro country, which is dealing with this okay-ish is Germany.
 
Germany's mortality rate and critical/severe rate appears very low. South Korea is actually quite low considering the number of cases, too
 
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From the beginning Germans implemented systematic testing. And and is probably the only nation in Europe which skipped ahead in the curve with that.

They are also doing everything to keep a potential cure in Europe and avalible for everyone, despite Donnie offering a massive sum of money for US exclusivity.
 
Brigantium said:
Germany's mortality rate and critical/severe rate appears very low. South Korea is actually quite low considering the number of cases, too
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South Korea's Foreign Minister has told the BBC that the low mortality rate there is due to extensive testing. The government there was a bit slow to react at first but has mobilized its resources with full force and now seems to be stabilising the number of new cases.
 
This exclusive thing is dicky move on us part.

Number of tests in Poland is very low, this worry me a little bit.
 
Black Wizard said:
South Korea's Foreign Minister has told the BBC that the low mortality rate there is due to extensive testing. The government there was a bit slow to react at first but has mobilized its resources with full force and now seems to be stabilising the number of new cases.
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This is why I have the problem with the 'just let it run its course' approach.
 
Brigantium said:
This is why I have the problem with the 'just let it run its course' approach.
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I'm sceptical about our government's approach too, but we don't have access to all the information that the government's advisors do. Being an island without an open border with Italy helps us a lot, but we'll get their kind of numbers eventually. I suppose the PM was damned whichever way he went. If the government shut down the schools then many medical staff would be unavailable so the stress on the NHS would be worse, but by not shutting schools down the virus might spread more among children (who are less affected) who could spread it to more vulnerable people. Both choices suck and might be as effective or ineffective as the other. Obviously some of the reasons the NHS is going to be under a lot of stress is that the current ruling party has cut its funding over the last decade, but I'd rather not get into the politics of who's to blame for what - it's not important right now. What matters is seeing the country through the pandemic as best as possible.

The BBC is reporting that opposition politicians in the Czech Republic - which is shutting down, as Saap has reported - have criticized the government's reasoning for these draconian measures and highlighting that the health service hasn't been provided with the required equipment to deal with this. This sounds familiar.

France is up to about 5400 cases and 120 deaths. Italy has 368 more deaths - their highest yet - with 252 in Lombardy which puts the total death toll up to more than 1800. In Switzerland the number of cases jumped by about 800 to 2200. My trip to Zurich in May is looking less and less likely, nut obviously that's far less important.
 
Yes, I think they don't want to jump the gun. However, I think the economy, or certain aspects of the economy, is being given top priority by the long shot, rather than it being about lack of childcare for healthcare workers. They'll know that if they can hold off to the Easter holidays, childcare arrangements both for healthcare workers and people in other trades will already be known or in place for this period. We can't see what information and options the Government has, but I'm willing to bet that protecting the status quo of the economy is very high priority.
 
Turkey just closed down bars and night clubs. No measures regarding cafes, restaurants, cinemas and so on.

Religious conservative government playing moral police under the guise of safety measures, this.
 
The Flash said:
Turkey just closed down bars and night clubs. No measures regarding cafes, restaurants, cinemas and so on.

Government playing moral police under the guise of safety measures, this.
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I can't comment on the Turkish government's motives, but last weekend I went to a sold-out gig in Manchester when I knew I was putting myself at risk. Then afterwards I saw many bars and clubs filled to capacity. It was a strange thing to see but it won't last for long.
Brigantium said:
We can't see what information and options the Government has, but I'm willing to bet that protecting the status quo of the economy is very high priority.
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I can see why they want to safeguard the economy in the long term, but it's a cold, utilitarian approach that appears to be throwing elderly and vulnerable people under the bus. There will be an almighty mess to pick up in summer when the peak has passed and safeguarding certain aspects of the economy will help with that process. The way that the virus has spread here has allowed the government to take this approach. Italy and Spain had no choice but to go into lockdown as soon as possible.

The political ramifications of this pandemic could be huge - I think Iran and the US will find this the most. We're also going to see a lot of airlines go out of business because of all the travel bans. The major carriers like British Airways and Lufthansa will stay alive, but Ryanair and EasyJet live off cheap, short haul flights to European tourist destinations. FlyBe has already collapsed because of it and Edinburgh Airport has warned about having no passengers for three months. The British airlines have collectively asked the government for some assistance to see them through this. Greta Thunberg is probably loving this shit though.

Another development is that Israel will monitor people's phones to track where infected people have been and who may have been close to them. This has understandably been criticized on privacy concerns, but it could be extremely useful.
 
The governor of Illinois just announced that all bars and restaurants in the state will be closed to dine-in customers starting on Tuesday until the end of the month. Drive through and delivery options will still be running.

Well I'm glad I was able to go out last night, because it looks like I won't have another chance for a while. :( Also, I'd have to imagine the grocery stores will now be even crazier in the upcoming days, if that's even possible.
 
Black Wizard said:
I can't comment on the Turkish government's motives, but last weekend I went to a sold-out gig in Manchester when I knew I was putting myself at risk. Then afterwards I saw many bars and clubs filled to capacity. It was a strange thing to see but it won't last for long.
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It's the right move, it's just that it's a bit egregious that they closed down those places first without touching the others. This government also puts extra taxes on alcohol very frequently, so it's not uncharacteristic of them to utilize their power for Islamic moral policing without making it too obvious.
 
At least 3-5 states are closing down schools, bars, and restaurants. And the grocery store situation is completely out of control. Hopefully they will start to limit how much people can buy. They'll pretty much have to until things get more under control. Also, Pence said more than 2,000 labs will have high speed testing capability by tomorrow. And too many more updates to keep caught up on.
 
We're currently at 51 cases and 2 deaths. Of these, about half are hospitalized and the rest are quarantined at home. According to officials, only two of the hospitalized cases are in serious condition. It's great that the sick people are doing relatively well, but I'm sure the cases are a lot more, they just have not been discovered.
 
Black Wizard said:
South Korea's Foreign Minister has told the BBC that the low mortality rate there is due to extensive testing. The government there was a bit slow to react at first but has mobilized its resources with full force and now seems to be stabilising the number of new cases.
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I guess the mortality rate in other countries would also be quite low if testing were to be done as extensively as in South Korea. Currently the people who are getting tested seem to be the ones showing symptoms, not the (possibly significant) number of people who only have very mild cold-like symptoms.
 
Ariana said:
We're currently at 51 cases and 2 deaths. Of these, about half are hospitalized and the rest are quarantined at home. According to officials, only two of the hospitalized cases are in serious condition. It's great that the sick people are doing relatively well, but I'm sure the cases are a lot more, they just have not been discovered.
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Same here. 1 death and cases rising. The death is a result of someone's incredible stupidity. Went directly from Italy to a visit in retirement home.
 
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People taking the train and subway. Madrid 8am this morning, Day 1 of state of emergency.
What's the use of a state of emergency and stay at home when all these people go to work in this way?
I think the cases won't stop if the authorities can't control situations like this.
We can never leave the state of emergency because the cases will never stop.

Yesterday in Paris marketplaces and pubs full of people WTF?
 
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