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The Venezuelan government announced the immediate release of a significant number of prisoners — both citizens of the country and foreign nationals.

“Consider this gesture by the Bolivarian government, aimed at achieving peace, as a contribution that we all must make to ensure a peaceful life for our republic and its aspiration for prosperity,” said National Assembly Speaker Jorge Rodríguez.
 
Ironalice said:
There has always been a "shoot first ask questions later" mentality among law enforcement. The only way they know how to de-escalate a situation is to shoot.
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Not always. There was a marked shift in law enforcement training in the 1990s after drug dealers started using fully automatic weapons against the police, and the companies that made military vehicles and weaponry saw an opportunity to vastly expand their customer base by selling “less lethal” versions of their products to law enforcement agencies large and small.

Training changed from “protect and serve” to “come home in one piece no matter what”, and that obviously caused a major change in tactics, clearly for the worse.
 
Ironalice said:
FOX news just posted it, had a brief look through the thousands of comments, most of which are saying justified shoot, case closed lol
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Which was to be expected, they don't care. You can see that she tried to move away from him. They claim he was hit by the car, yet he's still standing at the end of the video and ends with "fucking bitch". Anyone who refuses to acknowledge this as anything but state sanctioned murder is beyond saving at this point.
 
MrKnickerbocker said:
Get it? 47 days because Trump is US 47.
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Speechless.

Ironalice said:
100% There has always been a "shoot first ask questions later" mentality among law enforcement. The only way they know how to de-escalate a situation is to shoot. And they have legal protection simply saying "they feared for their life" as a valid defense.
Most people with half a brain can see the ICE agent could have easily stepped out of the way and let her through, but he knew full well as soon as she accelerated in his direction he could open fire and claim self defense. Police have gotten cleared countless times being trigger happy, and it will continue happening.
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You guys both left and right need to do something about it. Talk to your representatives, talk, protest. This must be stopped. A country that kills its own citizens so easily and officers get cleared is not a nice place to live. 2nd Amendment I can understand, but this is third world stuff.
 
____no5 said:
Speechless.



You guys both left and right need to do something about it. Talk to your representatives, talk, protest. This must be stopped. A country that kills its own citizens so easily and officers get cleared is not a nice place to live. 2nd Amendment I can understand, but this is third world stuff.
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30% of the population rejoice over this - they are too stupid to realize they have been trained like sheep to group-think on steroids and love everything, or close to everything, the Dicktator does. People on this board think it's funny and likely approve.
 
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Also, the ICE scum don't hold jurisdiction and their illegal demands aren't lawful orders, despite what the MAGAts like to claim.

And it's also important to note that US media is complicit in everything that happens. Not only does no one have a spine anymore and everything Trump and his admin do is being sanewashed. They also refuse to report on the constant protests that have been happening for the last year, choosing only to mention a few of the biggest ones that cannot be ignored anymore. To us outside of the US it feels as if nothing's happening in America and people are just accepting the insanity. If I didn't have acquaintances in America who are telling me about all the protests I'd think nothing is being done too.
 
Trevoire said:
She did not try to drive THROUGH an agent. She reversed with her wheels pointing left, and then turns her wheels right moving forward. It's really clear that she's actively trying to NOT run over the agent who positioned himself at the front left corner of the car.

You don't get to place yourself in a potentially dangerous situation (like near the front of a vehicle) and then use the danger YOU PLACED YOURSELF IN as an excuse to kill someone. You don't get to kill someone when you can use other measures like stepping out of the way.

The bullet hole in the windshield is at the very edge of it, the other shots went through the open passenger window. He shot as she was pulling away from/around him.
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Exactly - she was clearly trying to avoid him and the only reason the car touched him at all was that he then stepped in closer to get a better shot:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/ceqzj9932wjo
Even if it could be argued that the first shot was fired in self-defence (and I think that even the most credulous non-MAGA would need a lot of convincing on that), the second and third shots most definitely were not: after the car has got clear of him he then steps in even closer and actually reaches in through the open car window to fire those two shots a point blank range - which would be completely unnecessary if he was indeed acting purely in self-defence. Spite? Or simply to make sure she died?

Also, to return to my earlier question:
Black Abyss Babe said:
Did they even have the authority to apprehend her - to order her out of her car?
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Confirmed - they did NOT: unless she was either:
  • interfering with an arrest, OR
  • assaulting an officer, OR
  • suspected of being in the US illegally.
Literally none of this is applicable - certainly not at the point at which they start ordering her to "get out of the _ car".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp80ljjd5rwo
 
I saw another video when the person or shooter who holds the camera says exactly after the shooting “fucking bitch”
This is not about touching him with the car or not, she disobeyed his orders and thus she must go down, even a tough gangster wouldn’t kill that easily.
 
____no5 said:
I saw another video when the person or shooter who holds the camera says exactly after the shooting “fucking bitch”
This is not about touching him with the car or not, she disobeyed his orders and thus she must go down, even a tough gangster wouldn’t kill that easily.
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As a causal observer from across the pond, I am slightly confused by the whole ICE situation. You have masked people running around cosplaying as police officers and dragging people off the streets. The fourth amendment protects against this, and yet Trump supporters cheer them on. They don’t give a shit about the constitution. Oh except the 2nd amendment. But they only care about this because they love guns and one day hope to shoot someone in ‘self defence’. Just like that ICE officer. He had probably been wanting to do that all his life. Now he has the backing of the government to do it. He’s probably pissed off that she wasn’t an immigrant.

Y’all need to read your history. Your country is heading down a slippery slope towards fascism.
 
For all the folks who think Good was shot in self-defense, I have two questions:

1. If the officer honestly felt his life was in danger, why did he wait to shoot her after he was out of the way of the vehicle through her driver's side window?
2. If you think you're about to get run over, how does shooting the driver fix that situation in the first place? It's not like the person will kindly switch to the brake pedal after being shot, hence the vehicle speeding up and veering off before hitting a few parked cars.

3. BONUS QUESTION: If the officer was truly traumatized by previously getting dragged by a vehicle, why is he back on duty doing the exact same shit?

4. SUPER EXTRA BONUS QUESTION: What if that woman was your daughter, or sister, or wife. What if it was your best friend. Or a close co-worker? Would you still be like "Welp, shame my wife got out of line, but ICE is just doing their job?"
 
They won't answer these questions because they are enjoying what is happening. They are celebrating that the "right" people are being hurt. They've been waiting for years for chances to outright murder left-wing people.
 
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Flaming Blimp Crash said:
States of Minnesota and Illinois as well as the cities of Minneapolis, St. Paul and Chicago have announced lawsuits against the federal government.
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I may be wrong or missing something but it sounds too political, why they don’t just go after the killer to start with?

Edit: it’s not about suing governments, it’s about raise awareness and do the necessary to change the relative laws and training systems that facilitate those killings.
 
____no5 said:
I may be wrong or missing something but it sounds too political, why they don’t just go after the killer to start with?

Edit: it’s not about suing governments, it’s about raise awareness and do the necessary to change the relative laws and training systems that facilitate those killings.
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The federal government explicitly protects the killer and even stopped state agents from conducting any investigation, shut them out of the federal investigation and declared immunity for the killer and all ICE.
 
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