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Even if you voted for Trump, you can’t defend what happened in Minnesota. An unarmed woman was shot three times in the head. She was trying to drive away—not straight into an ICE officer. I see zero justification for what happened. And the way Trump, Vance, and others are trying to portray it is disgusting. All they should have said is something along the lines of: condolences to the family, an investigation is underway regarding the killing and a possible abuse of authority, etc.

I also seriously doubt that the lives of Trump voters have improved financially so far—unless you’re a very bitter and miserable person who actually enjoys watching the domestic and global situation spiral out of control.
 
All the evidence points to this being a very simple situation. The suspect was harassing ICE agents all day long and preventing them from doing their job. She was ordered to step out of her car, a directive which she chose to ignore. She instead chose to drive through an agent, who fired several shots in self-defense. The bullet hole in the windshield and the suspect being hit in the head shows that the shots came from in front of the vehicle.

When a law enforcement officer gives you a command, you obey. This agent had every right to defend himself, as at that point it would have been akin to a suspect being ordered to drop a weapon but instead raising it at an officer. The vehicle was a weapon.

It’s a shame that the radical left’s rhetoric caused this woman to be so reckless, but this was not murder. I also am in no way “celebrating” this; as I agree with Trump when he said “you hate to see this.” It’s incredibly unfortunate.

The video of agents “harassing” kids is just a small clip, surely edited to push the left’s narrative. We have no idea if and how those “kids” provoked the agents.

Comparing this to Charlie Kirk’s death is asinine. Kirk was assassinated; this woman was killed in self-defense. Also, anyone who celebrated Kirk’s death should have been fired. Why would you want someone with such lack of morals working for your company?
 
All the evidence points to this being a very simple situation. The suspect was harassing ICE agents all day long and preventing them from doing their job. She was ordered to step out of her car, a directive which she chose to ignore. She instead chose to drive through an agent, who fired several shots in self-defense. The bullet hole in the windshield and the suspect being hit in the head shows that the shots came from in front of the vehicle.

When a law enforcement officer gives you a command, you obey. This agent had every right to defend himself, as at that point it would have been akin to a suspect being ordered to drop a weapon but instead raising it at an officer. The vehicle was a weapon.

It’s a shame that the radical left’s rhetoric caused this woman to be so reckless, but this was not murder. I also am in no way “celebrating” this; as I agree with Trump when he said “you hate to see this.” It’s incredibly unfortunate.

The video of agents “harassing” kids is just a small clip, surely edited to push the left’s narrative. We have no idea if and how those “kids” provoked the agents.

Comparing this to Charlie Kirk’s death is asinine. Kirk was assassinated; this woman was killed in self-defense. Also, anyone who celebrated Kirk’s death should have been fired. Why would you want someone with such lack of morals working for your company?

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You are aware that we have multiple videos from different angles that prove you wrong, right? ;)

Kudos for sticking to the script though, despite being objectively wrong and blatantly lying.

Also, incredibly rich of you to talk about a "lack of morals". I truly wish all Trump supporters to experiece what they wish upon others.
 
Guess these types of comments are just as fair game on the forum as racist attacks on someone's ethnic identity, huh?
I don’t understand this comparison at all. If someone watched the available videos and thought it looked like the woman tried to hit the ICE officer, then this comment is completely reasonable, if snarky.

To me it seems obvious that the woman panicked and was just trying to get away, but the ICE officer was bumped by the car and got checked out at the hospital for it, so there’s at least some grey area here.

Did she deserve to get shot in the face for what she did? No, of course not. Are the administration’s comments calling her a domestic terrorist unfair and disgusting? Yes, of course. Is there a possibility that she really did ram the ICE agent, albeit in a panic instead of intentionally? Yes, I think it’s possible. This is why ideally we’d have an unbiased investigation before people started drawing conclusions left and right (pun intended).
 
If the video of this incident had been filmed at a protest in Iran rather than in the US, most everyone in the West would be using it as evidence of a barbarous and authoritarian regime. Unfortunately due to deeply entrenched political tribalism, the more dedicated MAGAheads are making fools of themselves trying to justify a grossly disproportionate abuse of power because their cult leader has instructed them to do so.
 
If the video of this incident had been filmed at a protest in Iran rather than in the US, most everyone in the West would be using it as evidence of a barbarous and authoritarian regime. Unfortunately due to deeply entrenched political tribalism, the more dedicated MAGAheads are making fools of themselves trying to justify a grossly disproportionate abuse of power because their cult leader has instructed them to do so.

It's shocking how easily police shoots people in US. Absolutely shocking. And it's not just about Trump, they do it all the time.

All the evidence points to this being a very simple situation. The suspect was harassing ICE agents all day long and preventing them from doing their job. She was ordered to step out of her car, a directive which she chose to ignore. She instead chose to drive through an agent, who fired several shots in self-defense. The bullet hole in the windshield and the suspect being hit in the head shows that the shots came from in front of the vehicle.

The impact they had didn't justify to shoot her in the face, or shoot her at all. You know how many times in China I've seen people disobeying police and leave and nothing happened? I've never heard a gun in 11 years. And it's still an extremely safe country, you can walk 3 a.m. wearing all your gold anywhere in a city of 26 millions and nobody will touch you.

It's sickening but it seems like in US they teach police officers to shoot people so they do it with incredible ease and by reflex. Like if they play some kind of video game and life doesn't matter.
 
All the evidence points to this being a very simple situation. The suspect was harassing ICE agents all day long and preventing them from doing their job. She was ordered to step out of her car, a directive which she chose to ignore. She instead chose to drive through an agent, who fired several shots in self-defense. The bullet hole in the windshield and the suspect being hit in the head shows that the shots came from in front of the vehicle.

When a law enforcement officer gives you a command, you obey. This agent had every right to defend himself, as at that point it would have been akin to a suspect being ordered to drop a weapon but instead raising it at an officer. The vehicle was a weapon.

It’s a shame that the radical left’s rhetoric caused this woman to be so reckless, but this was not murder. I also am in no way “celebrating” this; as I agree with Trump when he said “you hate to see this.” It’s incredibly unfortunate.

The video of agents “harassing” kids is just a small clip, surely edited to push the left’s narrative. We have no idea if and how those “kids” provoked the agents.

Comparing this to Charlie Kirk’s death is asinine. Kirk was assassinated; this woman was killed in self-defense. Also, anyone who celebrated Kirk’s death should have been fired. Why would you want someone with such lack of morals working for your company?
She did not try to drive THROUGH an agent. She reversed with her wheels pointing left, and then turns her wheels right moving forward. It's really clear that she's actively trying to NOT run over the agent who positioned himself at the front left corner of the car.

You don't get to place yourself in a potentially dangerous situation (like near the front of a vehicle) and then use the danger YOU PLACED YOURSELF IN as an excuse to kill someone. You don't get to kill someone when you can use other measures like stepping out of the way.

The bullet hole in the windshield is at the very edge of it, the other shots went through the open passenger window. He shot as she was pulling away from/around him.


This "comply INSTANTLY or die" mindset is insane.

ICE are supposed to be trained to deal with dangerous situations.
To expect perfect, calm, INSTANTANEOUS compliance from a member of the public, while masked men are shouting aggressively, surrounding and trying to get in her car is insane.

Simultaneously allowing a trained federal agent to panic and shoot them is nonsensical.


If the kids "provoked" the officers then you know what they could do?
Walk away.
Not continue going into the crowd to show how tough they are by shoving kids around.
Not to escalate the situation.
But thats the road they chose.
Because they're a egomaniac goon squad who only care about throwing their weight around and intimidating people.


Why would you want someone with such lack of morals working for your company?
Why would you want someone with such lack of morals, character and good judgement to be given a gun, mask and sent on the streets harassing the public on behalf of the government???


Pandoras box has been opened now.
ICE have killed someone, the government, president and his supporters have circled the wagons and justified it.

This sends a really strong signal to all the other ICE officers.
Be as reckless as you like, we'll protect you no matter what.

This definitely won't be the last death caused by ICE. I expect this is going to become a fairly common occurrence now that they've been given permission by the boss.
 
The cover by the administration has been "He was traumatized because he was ran over by a car before!" (Which is, of course, a gross falsehood of his past.) But, even if that were true - why would you put someone dealing with such trauma in environments involving cars? As if there's no sort of desk work that he could be transferred to? Even in their attempted brush-off it still puts the blame on ICE.

It's the usual job from this administration, various people lobbing various contradictory assessments in hopes of something that'll stick - and none of them pass the sniff test.
 
Anything the administration says can be pretty safely be dismissed as another lie.

The official statement about the Portland shooting says that one officer shot a single time in self defense. Despite that, two people were hit, one more than once. Unless the US has developed some incredible boomerang technology for bullets, this is an obvious lie.

They also gave the very same justifications and explanations as they did for the Minnesota shooting. They don't even care about making it believable. The cultists will swallow all the bullshit gladly, because they have already "other side" is hurt and harmed. Real patriots that lot.
 
The suspect was harassing ICE agents all day long and preventing them from doing their job.
Where is your evidence to support this claim? And no, I do not count the words of Trump, Vance, Bondi or Noem as "evidence."
She instead chose to drive through an agent, who fired several shots in self-defense.
Incorrect. The agents feet were not even in line with the vehicle and videos clearly show her turning the wheels away from the agent.
When a law enforcement officer gives you a command, you obey. This agent had every right to defend himself, as at that point it would have been akin to a suspect being ordered to drop a weapon but instead raising it at an officer. The vehicle was a weapon.
Incorrect. No law enforcement officer that is actually trained for more than 8 weeks would immediately fire a kill shot (let alone fucking three of them) at an unarmed individual. If he was standing in front of the vehicle and she peeled out quickly, neither of which are true, maybe your argument stands.
It’s a shame that the radical left’s rhetoric caused this woman to be so reckless, but this was not murder.
It's a shame that you see a scared person fleeing for their life as reckless simply because she disagrees with your politics, as opposed to the actual reckless action of an untrained bulldog firing three shots into someone's head.
The video of agents “harassing” kids is just a small clip, surely edited to push the left’s narrative. We have no idea if and how those “kids” provoked the agents.
This does not matter. They are children. Let that sink the fuck in. CHILDREN. Unless they were actively assaulting agents (just wait, I'm sure no evidence of this happening exists) there should have been zero violent force used. You're pathetic in this argument. What the fuck does "kids" even mean? Are you arguing what is and is not a fucking child now?! Jesus Christ you're beyond help.
Comparing this to Charlie Kirk’s death is asinine.
No one's comparing the means of either murder, just the reactions on either side and the hypocrisy shown (as usual) by you and your MAGAt cult.
 
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It's shocking how easily police shoots people in US. Absolutely shocking. And it's not just about Trump, they do it all the time.
100% There has always been a "shoot first ask questions later" mentality among law enforcement. The only way they know how to de-escalate a situation is to shoot. And they have legal protection simply saying "they feared for their life" as a valid defense.
Most people with half a brain can see the ICE agent could have easily stepped out of the way and let her through, but he knew full well as soon as she accelerated in his direction he could open fire and claim self defense. Police have gotten cleared countless times being trigger happy, and it will continue happening.
 
The official statement about the Portland shooting says that one officer shot a single time in self defense. Despite that, two people were hit, one more than once. Unless the US has developed some incredible boomerang technology for bullets, this is an obvious lie.
This reminds me of a news report in Greece where they said that someone commited suicide by shooting himself TWICE in the head!
People with no working brain cells will believe just about anything.
 
Keep in mind, too, that these fools receive 47 days of training before being sent out to terrorize citizens.

47 days.

In 47 days, you too can carry a gun and kill citizens with zero probable cause other than "they like to protest fascism!"

Get it? 47 days because Trump is US 47. His ego is so fucking big, he's using it as a marketing tool to recruit unskilled officers, barely train them, then give them a license to kill. It's fucking criminal. I am sickened by everyone trying to justify this shit. Absolutely revolting. The scum of the fucking Earth, right here.
 
Honestly @Detective Beauregard , for a while I thought that you're simply trolling for shits and giggles, to see the "libs" get angry at your outrageous takes, enjoying pouring salt in the wounds.

Now, I'm not so sure anymore. I'm wondering if you actually might believe all the things you post. I know you wouldn't "break character" to ruin the joke, but at this point I don't know it you simply trolling or genuinely believing all that stuff is worse.
 
I don’t think he is trolling. Group psychology - Peter Thiel, MAGA godfather, wrote a book about on how to use it to change a country. It is that playbook come to life.
 
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