Your Maiden blasphemy

[Collin]

Iron Maiden is a great song. Idc what anyone says.

 

[KidInTheDark666]

Don't look to the eyes of a stranger and The educated fool are the best songs on Virtual XI.

 

[Collin]

Don't look to the eyes of a stranger and The educated fool are the best songs on Virtual XI.

 

[Jer]

There's nothing sloppy about Janick's studio work.

His solos from “Sign Of The Cross”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “The Edge Of Darkness”, “No More Lies”, “Montsegur”, “Gates Of Tomorrow”, and “The Alchemist” would beg to differ with you. And that’s just naming a few, and not counting the viral effect he had on Dave.

Listen to Adrian's isolated track from Rock in Rio. That's sloppy, and not just by Adrian's standards.

Note that you had to go to a live track to find an example for Adrian.

 

[CriedWhenBrucieLeft]

Listen to the isolated guitar parts for Adrian on BNW the album then.

 

[Welsh Phantom]

Listen to the isolated guitar parts for Adrian on BMW the album then.

I can't hear anything!

 

[CriedWhenBrucieLeft]

Brave Meh World.

 

[Edington]

Note that you had to go to a live track to find an example for Adrian

True, but your post implied only Dave and Jan ever play sloppy, which is definitely not the case. Cried is also correct, BMW BNW isn't much better.

As a guide, what is your definition of sloppy? Open string noise? Bum notes? I'd say that, but I don't think either of those apply to Jan's studio work, much less those solos you highlighted.

 

[CriedWhenBrucieLeft]

Jer clearly doesn't like Janick's style of playing. The simple fact is: if Janick is sloppy on those tracks then H is certainly equally as sloppy on BNW.

Point still stands: it's not fair to single out Janick.

 

[Jer]

As a guide, what is your definition of sloppy? Open string noise? Bum notes?

Yes, and being unintentionally off-rhythm, and playing runs of notes that have nothing to do with each other melodically or harmonically, but are just near each other on the fretboard. Either playing crap, or playing like crap.

I don't think either of those apply to Jan's studio work, much less those solos you highlighted.

I think the recordings speak for themselves. If you don’t hear it, I don’t know what to tell you. There are apparently people who think Blaze sang in key, too.

 

[Diesel 11]

His solos from “Sign Of The Cross”, “Judgement Of Heaven”, “The Edge Of Darkness”, “No More Lies”, “Montsegur”, “Gates Of Tomorrow”, and “The Alchemist” would beg to differ with you.

All of these are either at least decent to pretty fucking great, specifically the TXF ones. If his solo in SOTC is sloppy, then Dave's is just as sloppy, if not more so. And for the record, I think both are great in that song.

 

[Jer]

All of these are either at least decent to pretty fucking great, specifically the TXF ones. If his solo in SOTC is sloppy, then Dave's is just as sloppy, if not more so. And for the record, I think both are great in that song.

Whether you like them or not is irrelevant, the question was about whether they’re sloppy. And I already said multiple times that Dave fell prey to this as well after Janick joined.

 

[Number 6]

the question was about whether they’re sloppy.

... which they're not.

 

[Edington]

...playing runs of notes that have nothing to do with each other melodically or harmonically, but are just near each other on the fretboard.

I believe that's known as "chromatic".

I think the recordings speak for themselves. If you don’t hear it, I don’t know what to tell you.

This cuts both ways. I don't think those solos are played sloppily, and if you don't hear it that, I don't know what to tell you either.

Dave fell prey to this as well after Janick joined.

I find this a strange argument, given that Dave didn't start slipping until around Dance of Death and didn't pick things up until Maiden England ten years later. That didn't carry over to TBOS though, whereas Jan has been consistent throughout.

 

[Jer]

... which they're not.

“I like it” does not automatically mean that anything negative said about it must be wrong. It’s OK to like sloppily played stuff if that’s your thing.

 

[Jer]

I believe that's known as "chromatic".

I can call cow shit “manure” and it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still cow shit. When you’re just playing random fast notes because they’re near each other and they don’t contribute anything to the arc of the music, it’s just lazy wanking.

This cuts both ways. I don't think those solos are played sloppily, and if you don't hear it that, I don't know what to tell you either.

Well, by a strict definition one of us is right and one of us is wrong. The last time this happened was with Blaze singing out of key, where some people adamantly insisted I was wrong and some poor soul went through with a tuned guitar to play the parts Blaze was trying to sing to prove that he was out of key. I’m not equally motivated. If you insist on believing Janick’s not sloppy, that’s your choice. The recordings are what they are.

I find this a strange argument, given that Dave didn't start slipping until around Dance of Death and didn't pick things up until Maiden England ten years later.

To my ears Dave and Janick got progressively sloppier starting with Fear Of The Dark, then briefly pulled it together on Brave New World only to tank again on Dance Of Death, and they’ve been hit and miss ever since. Janick is clearly a worse offender than Dave, but Dave has his sloppy moments.

 

[Diesel 11]

“I like it” does not automatically mean that anything negative said about it must be wrong. It’s OK to like sloppily played stuff if that’s your thing.

Whether you like them or not is irrelevant, the question was about whether they’re sloppy.

... which they're not.

They aren't sloppy. You just don't like the way they're played, and that's fine. Janick has a different style that you dislike. I'll agree that a lot of his live stuff is sloppy, but in studio he's very solid. I'm not talking about liking it, I'm talking about sloppiness. Janick isn't half as sloppy as you say he is, just like Blaze isn't half as out-of-key as you say he is. No slim possibility that you're wrong, eh?

 

[mihai]

I don’t want to argue on this matter, but it is impossible not to hear how often Jan is slipping in from minor to major scales or random improvisations during his live solos. In the studio, well this is another story..

 

[Diesel 11]

Yeah, live is a different matter. But I don't hear anything sloppy in studio. If he's sloppy, then so are both Dave and Adrian.

 

[Jer]

Janick isn't half as sloppy as you say he is, just like Blaze isn't half as out-of-key as you say he is. No slim possibility that you're wrong, eh?

Your simply stating something is not a compelling counterargument. And @MrKnickerbocker already proved that I was objectively right about Blaze being off key in “Judgement Of Heaven”, when I seem to recall you wanting to believe that Blaze didn’t really have a problem in that area. So no, I’m not too concerned that I might be wrong here. My ears work just fine.