Who will carry the torch?

[Mosh]

I would drop the metal from the genre all together.

I wouldn't. Who cares if people around here don't like it. Some people obviously enjoy it, and it is metal.

 

[Tron]

I wouldn't. Who cares if people around here don't like it. Some people obviously enjoy it, and it is metal.

So is mercury but you dont see people overexposing themselves to it 
Bruce solo would be the perfect way to have a reason to live post maiden 

 

[Black Wizard]

Also, it has to be a British band to carry Maiden's torch. See what happened when Sepultura invented nu metal without knowing it and unitedstater bands 'held the torch' or when Dream Theater proclaimed themselves Rush's torch carriers - pathetic, complete, utter trainwreck.

Matt Tuck from Bullet for my Valentine once said "We're going to take over from Maiden and Metallica!".

 

[Deleted member 7164]

There's no torch. No band succeeded Pink Floyd, Beatles, Led Zeppelin...when you're the biggest, the innovative, the trend-setter,  you get no rightful heir.
Do you see any younger metal band out there filling a football stadium in whatever country, in 10 years time? I don't. Giants are getting old, and new ones don't exist. Every genre of music suffers from mass-production of similar bands and metal is no exception. Even the exotic sub-genres are just a better or worse mixture of known styles used in metal, sometimes interesting but hardly innovative, and even in those small metal domains you find a bunch of highly similar bands.

Take it this way. There are genres. And there are classic rock bands. Maiden and Metallica are the only two bands from metal genre that qualify as "classic rock". After these bands quit, flagships of metal are gone. Everything that remains is a more-or-less combination of well-known styles. We have underdogs like Megadeth, influential, innovative, everyone knows about them, but they can hardly get huge audiences outside the festivals. Always an underdog, won't be able to pick up the fallen flag and rally ahead. And you can't call them young, at all.

Bruce and Adrian will do some stuff when Maiden quits, their creative input is IMHO the biggest factor behind Maiden's 21st success. But they won't continue where Maiden stopped, they won't be as big. However it would be a treat for hardcore fan base. If that hypothetical material qualifies as strong as AoB/TCW, Bruce's band would play to significantly larger audiences than it used to, but nowhere near as large as Maiden today.

 

[Forostar]

I agree with Zare that I can't see a band become that big again in this genre.

But when I answer this question

What "new" band will give you the "can't wait for the next album" thrill that Maiden currently provide?

it's still Dickinson.

 

[Black Wizard]

I agree with Zare that I can't see a band become that big again in this genre.

I have to agree with this as well. Metal has had its day as a chart topping genre back in the eighties and early nineties, but it just isn't accepted by mainstream media any more. That's the case in the UK anyway, where the music industry is specifically biased against Metal despite the country being the home of the genre. I won't say that Metal is dying, but it has had its fifteen minutes and will probably be confined to the underground for the large part in the future.

 

[Jeffmetal]

Matt Tuck from Bullet for my Valentine once said "We're going to take over from Maiden and Metallica!".

When I read quotes like that, I atest that everything is lost, indeed.

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I have to agree with this as well. Metal has had its day as a chart topping genre back in the eighties and early nineties, but it just isn't accepted by mainstream media any more. That's the case in the UK anyway, where the music industry is specifically biased against Metal despite the country being the home of the genre. I won't say that Metal is dying, but it has had its fifteen minutes and will probably be confined to the underground for the large part in the future.

What you're saying is completely the other way around. The mainstream, the mass production and the 'goodnization' of Heavy Metal is the reason we'll have no more giants, behemoth, monolithic bands like the ones we all love and will through eternity.

Great post, Zare. You elaborated perfectly on my former post on the thread.

 

[Forostar]

I am beginning to think that some people start to mix up the individual view on which artist might give the (next) thrill to the forum member in question after Maiden is gone (correct me if I am wrong; this was the original purpose of the thread opener) with an idea of size of a band (interesting; but it's something completely else).

Don't know why some people are evading the topic, but I do hope they´ll have a (next) band to be excited about, after the giants go to their final sleep.

 

[Jeffmetal]

A giant band is such because of the universe they created. Cathedral is a giant band, but they didn't get the exposure and the right coordination, I feel, to reach more ears.

I think some people aren't smart enough to interpret some opinions here, but they still think they're smarter than everyone else.

 

[Deleted member 7164]

There are no more big cultural movements in metal. You can't spawn a magical band out of nowhere. Movements and "music revolutions" were the driving force behind those gigantic bands of rock, today stuff like "New Wave Of American Heavy Metal" is just an media-invented umbrella term for a bunch of bands sharing some background.

Perhaps it's just saturated field. I mean, you can be innovative if you play faster, but at a certain point it becomes silly and loses musical value. Maybe we've developed every element, speed, heaviness, groove, progressiveness, atmosphere, etc. to maximum and new bands are just mixing them as they see fit. Metal has been mixed with every other musical genre, from classical, to folk, rap, electronic styles. Times have also changed - these aren't '70s or '80s. I'm trying to find a good parallel, for instance dogfight aces are becoming rare because rules of engagement have changed. But dogfight has been surpassed by technology. Metal has not been surpassed. I feel that we've hit the limit of music creativity. It's just a matter of time until most of the bands in a sub-genre start sounding like copies of each other. Mostly what's currently happening to R&B pop stuff.

One newer band that's a bright example would be Muse. I don't listen to them, but what I hear from them I generally like. They are certainly not metal, but unique rock, and are capable of doing big shows and tours. But that's also due to their pop elements and mass media coverage.

But Maiden's got a few years to go, and even after they quit we'll probably get previously unreleased material, etc. 40 years of heritage and material. I'm good with that  

Matt Tuck from Bullet for my Valentine once said "We're going to take over from Maiden and Metallica!"

That's what you get when you're backed by unrealistic, biased media with agenda. Inflated ego. In reality, Maiden would own any of those bands in front of their audience.  

 

[Night Prowler]

I think that The Plan is the next big thing in metal

 

[Mosh]

I think that The Plan is the next big thing in metal

Sigged.

 

[Crimson Idol]

Obviously I will still listen to music or eagerly expect new albums but the thrill won't be nowhere near as huge.Most of the ''new'' bands that come to mind are not metal.They certainly can give me some thrill but there's no contest compared to Maiden.
Alter Bridge.It's already been a year since their last album and I already know I won't be getting a new one in 2012 and it hurts.
The Answer is another new band that I really like.They've proven themselves 3 times already and they are growing bigger step by step.They've already become more than another rock n roll band.

There are of course metal bands that still have many years ahead. Hopefully Iced Earth with Stu have many years and albums ahead, the same goes for Angra, Symphony X, Malmsteen and others.But still nothing like Maiden.I guess I''ll have to accept that I''ll never feel the same for any other band after Maiden quits.Call it something like the End of the 100% true fanboism.  

I do like Alter Bridge tbh, seen them live. The Answer... I saw when supporting Tokyo Dragons/Nashville Pussy back when they were still paying pubs and the stage exit was actually just onto the floor... everyone standing at the bar afterwards.

I don't have any bands I "cant wait" for, many I look forward to tho. WASP, Priest, GnR, SixxAM are the high ones on my list seein as MEgadeth have just released and Scorpions have ceased.

 

[chaosapiant]

To be clear on my original post, I didn't mean exclusivly how "big" a band could get.  No one is going to get bigger.  I'm talking about the upcoming bands that are "shaking" things up the way Maiden, Motorhead and Sabbath did.  The bands that redefine the genre, and remind you of why you loved Maiden to begin with.  I've already said Mastodon, because they blow my mind the same way Maiden does.  I do not, however, expect Mastodon to ever reach the stadium filling capacity and legend status of Maiden.

 

[Tron]

so in summary...
- Bruce Dickinson
- Metal needs to stop being mainstreamed into specific subgenres that only tether in creativity
- Theyve painted the fourth bridge so surely now its possible Blind Guardian will tour the UK 
- The future post-Bruce looks bleak for metal

suddenly i feel very downhearted

 

[Black Wizard]

- Theyve painted the fourth bridge so surely now its possible Blind Guardian will tour the UK 

Everywhere there is a reminder that Blind Guardian just won't come here. Maybe the imminent collapse of the Euro will force them to play  somewhere that has real money though.

I'm not sure what the Forth Bridge has to do with Blind Guardian though!

 

[Donner]

The era of big bands that have the support of not only the hardcore underground scene but also have enough cross appeal to be able to sell out arenas (basically Maiden's status since the early 80s) is basically over. 

We can have bands that act as a semi replacement for us, but overall I don't think we'll ever see a band like Maiden again.

 

[Jeffmetal]

There are no more big cultural movements in metal. You can't spawn a magical band out of nowhere. Movements and "music revolutions" were the driving force behind those gigantic bands of rock, today stuff like "New Wave Of American Heavy Metal" is just an media-invented umbrella term for a bunch of bands sharing some background.

Perhaps it's just saturated field. I mean, you can be innovative if you play faster, but at a certain point it becomes silly and loses musical value. Maybe we've developed every element, speed, heaviness, groove, progressiveness, atmosphere, etc. to maximum and new bands are just mixing them as they see fit. Metal has been mixed with every other musical genre, from classical, to folk, rap, electronic styles. Times have also changed - these aren't '70s or '80s. I'm trying to find a good parallel, for instance dogfight aces are becoming rare because rules of engagement have changed. But dogfight has been surpassed by technology. Metal has not been surpassed. I feel that we've hit the limit of music creativity. It's just a matter of time until most of the bands in a sub-genre start sounding like copies of each other. Mostly what's currently happening to R&B pop stuff.

One newer band that's a bright example would be Muse. I don't listen to them, but what I hear from them I generally like. They are certainly not metal, but unique rock, and are capable of doing big shows and tours. But that's also due to their pop elements and mass media coverage.

But Maiden's got a few years to go, and even after they quit we'll probably get previously unreleased material, etc. 40 years of heritage and material. I'm good with that 

That's what you get when you're backed by unrealistic, biased media with agenda. Inflated ego. In reality, Maiden would own any of those bands in front of their audience. 

My thoughts, exactly.

 

[Onhell]

While I agree mostly with LC that we shouldn't cry about it and I agree with Zare that it takes a very unique mixture of circumstances, cultural or otherwise to produce "giants."

HOWEVER just because WE can't see a band currently in the making that will be as large or larger than Maiden, it doesn't mean it won't come, it also doesn't mean it will be in Metal per se.

Elvis ruled the 40's/50's, the Beatles owned the 60's, Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zep made the 70's their bitch. The 80's saw Metallica and Maiden... Big bands come and go, but there is always a new one in the horizon. The only reason I am tempted to side with Zare further is the MUSIC INDUSTRY is what is killing music in general by over saturation of the market and copy cats. But then again... That's always happened, America's response to the Beatles? The industry manufactured Monkees...

Again, just because we don't see the next big thing it doesn't mean it won't come at all, bunch of doomsday prophets.

 

[Forostar]

But Maiden's got a few years to go, and even after they quit we'll probably get previously unreleased material, etc. 40 years of heritage and material.

Can't imagine. Perhaps some live songs.

And Muse sounds too much like Radiohead too call them unique.