War starts as world parties

Natalie said:
China will side with Russia...
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Nooooo.  China is too reliant on the US economy to side with Russia.  They'll stay neutral, taking US money for goods then shipping it to Russia for oil.
 
Natalie said:
China will side with Russia, the world will split itself into East vs. West
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you simplify things too much Nat, and I'm not sure if China is east or west anymore
I'm not sure maybe you're right,

*woops I was ready to add: 'but let's see what LC has to say about it', when I saw that he has a relevant opinion in deed*

:smartarse:
 
Forostar said:
At the end I guess it all depends on how you think and how your character works. What is right and what is wrong? When do you care and when not?

Empathy, consience and responsibility are very present in my character.
Also the feel for justice.

I prefer to help someone and to live in fear (or not), instead of trying to forget the whole thing and fighting a lost battle against the feeling of guilt.

What I would do? Difficult question because as a NATO leader I'd still have to lead divided countries. As PM of the Netherlands I'd lead a small country, but there's also a parliament of course.

As long as we are divided it’s not gonna work.
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In other words, you have no idea what you'd do.  It comes down to this: one, you can let Russia do what they want to Georgia.  Two, you can urge restraint and peace and send envoys.  Three, you can say, "fuck off or we'll back the Georgians up".

The world is choosing option #2.  I asked what you'd do and you came up with a very waffling answer.  So let me rephrase: if you, Forostar, were in charge, and knew that NATO would follow your lead, what would you do?


(Also, it's specious to suggest that North Eastern Canada isn't a target.  Halifax is the largest port on the East Coast and is a natural shipping point.  During the Cuban Missile Crisis it was considered one of the top 10 Soviet targets in North America, because without Halifax there's few places that convoys can assemble to cross the Atlantic.  Every Canadian soldier and a third of US soldiers who went to Europe in WW2 went through Halifax; almost 40% of all cargo that crossed the Atlantic stopped at Halifax or was shipped from Halifax.  It's an important strategic point.)
 
I'd invite everyone for milk and cookies and when they've had like five that's when I reveal that the milk and cookies are poisoned! and that unless they kiss and make up I won't give them the antidote! This could go to ways and since I can't decide which one I like better I leave this nonsense there.

I think what is currently being done is the best option, might be the slowest, but I still think the best. We don't want this turning into a bigger blood bath than it already is...
 
Yep.  I'd not be opposed to deploying peacekeepers in major Georgian cities.  Except for the fact that the traditional peacekeeping countries are generally tied down in Afghanistan.
 
PROPAGANDA LINKS REMOVED.
Before you start whining, I would have done the same had anybody posted pro-Georgian links.
-Perun

:D :D :D
 
Well, Russia maybe should have stopped at the South Ossetian border, and maybe they wouldn't look so evil.
 
Hmm...the blog of the Russian Army officer is propaganda, but you can grasp some useful tactical info in the text. That's why i posted it.

On the other hand...12-year old Georgia-descent girl from San Francisco talking on FOX? Propaganda?
 
The mighty roar of the American guns, of course!  And waving a Russian flag, right? :P

But really, why should Russia get any exception to these?
"German war propaganda machine
Such before has never been seen"
They didn't change that line on Death on the Road in Dortmund...

Damn, I thought there'd be more national references, but that's the only one I could think of.  But screw them, this can't be the first time Maiden delivers The Trooper in Russia.
 
Okay, you have a point.  But I don't think it's the money that gets them to play, but the reason that it's not the Russian fans' fault what their government is doing.
 
I agree with Invader. It's not the Russian fans' fault. Why punish them for something their government is doing? For all we know, the entire audience could consist of people who don't support Putin and Medvedev. I think hardly anybody in the audience will have anything to do with this war, so playing to them makes no difference from playing to any other audience.
 
You didn't complain when Iron Maiden toured in the US, UK, Spain, Poland since the invasion of Iraq, Forostar.
 
But those fans indeed didn't go to war themselves (I hope, some military are definitely Maiden fans).
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People join the military for a variety of reasons, and soldiers do as they are commanded by their superiors.  Even if some of the audience has been involved in Georgia or some similar event, so what?  It's not morally wrong for Maiden to play to them in my opinion.  Think about it this way: Maiden have played all over the world to different audiences.  Murderers, rapists, etc. have no doubt been present at some Maiden (or any metal for that matter) shows.  I see this as no different than playing to people who have gone to war, and condemning Maiden for playing to an audience which could/would contain military people involved in the war in Georgia is just silly.  Maiden have played in other countries with militaries too. 

And I still stand by my statement: even if the majority of Russians support Putin/Medvedev, they didn't ask for a war.  The same way as though people did support Bush in 2003, but they didn't start the Iraq war, it was the government.

With Iraq, the invaded country was led by a terrible dictator, now the invading country is led by a terrible government. That's the difference.
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While I agree with this to a certain extent, don't forget that the neither government in USA then/now and the government in Georgia now is exactly innocent either.
 
About a week ago the Swedish prime minister Reinfeldt issued a statement where he said that Russia would suffer consequences for their behavior with Georgia. As of now, Sweden has stopped all military co-operation with Russia (which begs the question, what on earth was the military of a neutral country doing, co-operating with Russia in the first place??).
 
Isn't Sweden notorious for developing and exporting the world's most modern weapons?
 
Ah yes that's true. But then again, I'm not sure whether that's done through the military. Still, it's another one of those paradoxes with Sweden. *sigh*
 
Neutral means don't sell at all, sell anyone anything they want, or sell the exact quantity to their enemy also. Therefore, Sweden is completely neutral. And i'm not joking. Besides, selling mid range S2S missiles and light 4th generation fighters is not what you'd call "most modern weapons". And their cooperation with Russia is neutral since they have the same cooperation with USA/NATO.
 
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