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UpTheIrons said:
'I'm not celebrating his death, I'm just going to repeatedly post how deplorable and evil he was in the hours immediately following his death.'

Strange behaviour tbh.
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Posting facts isn't celebrating.

I specifically said he didn't deserve to die.
I don't feel bad about someone evil dying, even if the action that took his life was shocking and wrong.

I think some of y'all really need to bust out some dictionaries.
 
Vaenyr said:
Posting facts isn't celebrating.

I specifically said he didn't deserve to die.
I don't feel bad about someone evil dying, even if the action that took his life was shocking and wrong.

I think some of y'all really need to bust out some dictionaries.
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I didn't say you *were* celebrating, I was commenting that repeatedly posting on an internet forum about how evil someone is immediately following their death is kind of weird and obsessive behaviour.
 
UpTheIrons said:
I didn't say you *were* celebrating, I was commenting that repeatedly posting on an internet forum about how evil someone is immediately following their death is kind of weird and obsessive behaviour.
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Look at the political climate we are in, that nowadays has a major focus on stripping people of rights, demonize pretty much anybody non-MAGA and using Government to round people up etcetera. Kirk was an advocate of that and a defacto-player. His horrific murder does not undo what is happening in the US in particular and in the West in general and the complicity of people like him who actively call for eradicating other people. Two different thoughts (his murder was wrong and him being an absolute piece of shit that wanted to exterminate poeple) must be allowed co-exist and be debated. His murder does not wash him clean and does not mean everybody else should roll over while violent fascism takes over.
 
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UpTheIrons said:
I didn't say you *were* celebrating, I was commenting that repeatedly posting on an internet forum about how evil someone is immediately following their death is kind of weird and obsessive behaviour.
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Huh? It's a major event in a topic I care about and I'm just one of several people in here. Why isn't it weird for el diablo diagnosing everyone as twisted psychopaths and putting things in their mouth? Why isn't it weird for Detective coming in hot and falsel accusing leftists of being violent? Me pushing back against such behavior is "weird and obsessive"?

Feels kinda biased, not gonna lie. You could say that's a pretty weird assessment of the situation. Trying to shame me for accurately describing factual information is weird.

Main stream media (especially those leaning right) are doing their best to paint Charlie as this innocent figure. A young father who was interested in debating different opinions and all that. It's important to note the facts that he was actively spreading hate, advocating violence, mocked those having empathy for shooting victims and was normalizing school shootings.

Him finding an untimely and shocking end doesn't make him a saint. A decade of genuinely evil actions aren't washed away because of the way he died.
 
Look, I get it. Kirk was a symbol and a spokesman for a movement that I find beyond repulsive. But he meant a great deal for great many people, many of them having disgusting opinions centered on racism, anti-women, anti-poor and repression. If it were Obama who had died or was killed, the internet, and probably including politicians, would have been filled with right-wingers celebrating his death because he stands for everything they do not. And I would have been outraged at that. The difference though, albeit the right-wingers would find that neglible, is that he wasn't about turning the U.S. into a Christian Taliban state and wasn't about trying to make life miserable for 50% of the population like MAGA seems to.
 
Yax said:
Look, I get it. Kirk was a symbol and a spokesman for a movement that I find beyond repulsive. But he meant a great deal for great many people, many of them having disgusting opinions centered on racism, anti-women, anti-poor and repression. If it were Obama who had died or was killed, the internet, and probably including politicians, would have been filled with right-wingers celebrating his death because he stands for everything they do not. And I would have been outraged at that. The difference though, albeit the right-wingers would find that neglible, is that he wasn't about turning the U.S. into a Christian Taliban state and wasn't about trying to make life miserable for 50% of the population like MAGA seems to.
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We don't even need such a hypothetical. When the Democratic state senator was assassinated a couple of months ago, many high profile conservative figure joked about that incident.
 
Vaenyr said:
We don't even need such a hypothetical. When the Democratic state senator was assassinated a couple of months ago, many high profile conservative figure joked about that incident.
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Yep, and Pelosi’s husbands assault - which Trump also joked about.
Still, and I repeat, just because Trump and many of his cronies and cultists are awful people, does not mean people should gloat about Kirk being murdered. He should not have been murdered, but it doesn't absolve him or MAGA from the horrific and unconstitutional things that they put the US and citizens through. But this is an assault on democracy, and this time not by the Trump administration.
 
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Aggelos said:
I am. Direct your anger at me.
One less motherfucker, is one less motherfucker.
Small victory but I'll take it.
Don't you Americans have a saying that goes
"If you live by the sword,
you will die by the sword"?
So why are you so surprised?
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Me too.

I knew little of him before this but doing my research showed that he regularly advocated for gun violence against his political opponents and LGBTQ+. Stating that they should be shot on live tv. Well, looks like the Grim Reaper was listening. Let's not forget that he was a nazi.

And he was just an online political agitator, not an elected representative. The American equivalent of Tommy Robinson. The fact that Trump is flying half-mast flags is abhorrent as it is hilarious. There used to be an age when shooting nazis was celebrated you know?

So yeah, the bastard got what he asked for (and deserved) and I'm glad he's dead. The world is a better place without people like him.
 
Final statement I’ll make on the matter: I don’t think murdering an unarmed person is okay. I don’t think someone using a gun on any school campus (or anywhere) is okay.

Charlie Kirk was an abhorrent piece of shit and the world will be better without his propaganda. Do I think he deserved to be shot in the neck on a school campus? No.

For everyone who wants us to “do something”: support stricter gun control.
 
My final comment on Charlie is to share a collection of things he said over the years. It's only fair to remember a public figure's legacy.

From now on I'll focus on the fact that Trump is a convicted felon and pedophile. We can't forget that.
 

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Isn't it a bit interesting that the shooter, who seemingly has pro level skills, just vanished into thin air in a busy college campus? Or that the police still have yet to issue a description?

All of this happening the day after Trump's birthday card to Epstien is revealed as well.
 
Spaldy said:
Isn't it a bit interesting that the shooter, who seemingly has pro level skills, just vanished into thin air in a busy college campus? Or that the police still have yet to issue a description?

All of this happening the day after Trump's birthday card to Epstien is revealed as well.
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I think this is tin foil hat style thinking, but you can add to that it would give him a convenient excuse to send in the army to University campuses.
 
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