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If it was only on Musk, I have no doubt he'd close it. But it isn't.

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@Mosh since you enjoy laughing, let me remind you other times that you laughed, with special attention to dates /timing of my posts -your laugh.

This is precious. Four dates later the debate happened and in a month Biden was gone. Thanks for that, Mosh!


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I’m not sure this is the gotcha you think it is. The idea that there was a secret movement within the party to bring down Biden was laughable then and honestly more laughable now considering the amount of weeks and public pressure it took for Biden to step down.
 
Jer said:
This is definitely not true on a cultural level. Americans and Canadians have enjoyed a warm and fuzzy cultural relationship for over 100 years at least, we’ve comingled professional sports leagues, and pre-9/11 you only needed your driver’s license to cross the border. We also have special shared national security concerns (e.g. NORAD) that are unique to our countries.

It’s a crying shame that Trump is pissing all over this, but it will eventually pass.
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Americans are our blood brothers. Our armed forces have fought together, and died together, for more than a century. We have a deeply integrated economy, and shared cultural values. Both countries have benefitted from the military and economic alliance.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, a lot of Canadians are upset. I can't recall ever seeing so many people unified about any one topic. Tariffs would be bad, but they would be endurable. The repeated threats to Canada's sovereignty are much more severe. Ultimately, I agree that most Canadians will move past this (but that's assuming Trump doesn't implement the tariffs - or worse).

(For the record - I think Trudeau has been a poor prime minister, and the country is unquestionably worse today compared to where it was at the start of his tenure. At the same time, he's done a magnificent job handling the current crisis. His speech from last Sunday is one of the greatest speeches any Canadian PM has ever delivered. And he's gotten Trump to pause the tariffs without giving up anything of substance).
 
Mosh said:
I’m not sure this is the gotcha you think it is. The idea that there was a secret movement within the party to bring down Biden was laughable then and honestly more laughable now considering the amount of weeks and public pressure it took for Biden to step down.
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That’s a very naive thing to believe. Joe had stated publicly he would run a few days prior his withdrawal. It wasn’t the public pressure that brought him down but the blackmailing from inside.
The fact that he stepped down so bitterly with just an X post speaks volumes of what might have happened in the background.
 
Whoever could have seen this coming?

... Detained migrants are now being released into the US because there aren't enough facilities to hold them. This practice, catch and release (some monitored by ankle bracelets) was, of course, condemned by MAGA during the Biden administration, and is now touted a success, because.... Reasons?

So. Round 'em up for the cameras, claim victory, release. I'm glad there aren't any concentration migrant camps to hold them in that Trump is publicly dreaming of, but it underscores how the spectacle is the point of it and how they don't actually know how to fully implement the campaign promises and that they know it.

Oh, saw a Tik-Tok video of a MAGA voter crying how he'll lose his farm because of a couple of Trump EO's. It was very entertaining to watch and could be summarized as "but I wanted Trump to make life worse for others, not for me". But ever the cultist, he consistently avoided saying whose EOs and policy decisions is taking his farm away from him and putting him in so far 80 000 dollars in debt (hint: It's because Trump is using EOs to gut some things in the Inflation Reduction Act that has been used to grow and keep the farming industry), so he's only talking in terms of "the government".
 
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the death of USAID means the removal of billions of dollars of farm subsidies. Iowa and Kansas grain being distributed for humanitarian reasons in Africa. The economic cost of stimulus in the midwest and prairie states alone is huge. But, alas, we gotta get rid of USAID because they were investigating Starlink.
 
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the death of USAID means the removal of billions of dollars of farm subsidies. Iowa and Kansas grain being distributed for humanitarian reasons in Africa. The economic cost of stimulus in the midwest and prairie states alone is huge. But, alas, we gotta get rid of USAID because they were investigating Starlink.
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It's Biden's fault.
 
Oh, right. If USAID under Biden hadn't investigated Musk, then he wouldn't have shut them down. Got it.
 
Nobody said USAID was Biden’s fault. USAID is decades old and eventually grew to be responsible for some very shady fundings, such as manipulation of press world wide and regime changing operations without transparency towards the Congress. Even BBC was receiving funds from them, B fucking BC!
I wasn’t aware that they investigated on Musk, it could be very well what sparked the whole thing, it wouldn’t surprise me.

As I said earlier it’s very early to assess so I won’t hold my breath. It would be great US minding their own business and stop interfering everywhere but it’s just too good to be true.
Normally there is continuity in the agenda, no matter Democrats or GOP, so I don’t have high expectations.
Shutting down of USAID, if it even takes place, could be very well reorganizing the whole thing under a different name, different mode of operations.
 
USA interfering = distributing billions of dollars of grain and HIV antivirals throughout Africa.

Just saying what USAID is. Billions of dollars of food and needed antivirals.
 
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