USA Politics

[Mosh]

Just a general note to:

1: Keep it civil

2: don’t abuse the report button

 

[Detective Beauregard]

Continued from the Iced Earth thread…

As they used to say in my dad's village: And if my grandma had her vagina on her back she'd be a piggy bank.

Ok that’s funny!

The fact of the matter is that death row costs more money than life sentences.

But it wouldn’t if those found guilty of murder were executed no more than one year after being found guilty.

Since you care about taxpayer money you need to give Biden credit for saving money within a busted system. That's what integrity's about, giving credit where credit's due

One thing done right, thousands done wrong. I hope the crooked old ass enjoys his remaining years lounging around on the beautiful beaches of Delaware.

Also, considering how often we've seen stories of innocent people spending decades in prison or even being executed due to various errors (or sometimes corruption) in the legal processes, maybe it's better that it takes time until people are executed.

In some cases perhaps, but with advances in forensic technology this is almost impossible in today’s age.

As a staunch opponent of the death penalty, I disagree. He didn't go far enough in pardons. Nobody should be executed. Also it's cheaper to house people forever than to do the series of appeals that are mandatory in death penalty cases, so it's also not a financial concern.

I disagree. Someone who kills innocent people in cold blood should not have the chance to be rehabilitated; they offered their victims no choice and therefore they should be allowed no choice. Removing these killers from the world ensures that they can never reoffend, while imprisoning them could lead to the murder of other prisoners or, in rare cases, even escape.

The death penalty (in my opinion of course) is a barbaric and outdated practice. You are putting your trust in the government and the legal system to work flawlessly and never make a single mistake. Because if they do make mistakes that means you are okay with innocent people being executed as collateral damage, as long as the "right" criminals are killed. As Yax pointed out right above my comment, there are far too many instances of people being wrongfully executed.

I agree that the legal system must be airtight. Thankfully with the Trump Reunion Tour in full swing, many of the progressive hack prosecutors will be removed and it is my belief that law and order will prevail. Dun dun.

It's morbidly fascinating how the same group of people who is the first to criticize the government and doesn't trust it on any other matter, is the group that supports the death penalty and somehow thinks easily corrupted systems are to be trusted with the lives of citizens. And with fascinating I mean horrifying, hypocritical and betraying a massive sense of bloodlust.

It’s about protecting the free people by removing murderers from society. Removing them from the earth provides a 100% chance that they will not reoffend, thus it is the safer option than prison. A murderer should not have any rights, yet alone more than law-abiding citizens.

 

[LooseCannon]

I disagree. Someone who kills innocent people in cold blood should not have the chance to be rehabilitated; they offered their victims no choice and therefore they should be allowed no choice. Removing these killers from the world ensures that they can never reoffend, while imprisoning them could lead to the murder of other prisoners or, in rare cases, even escape.

1) Killing is wrong, in any situation. If it is wrong for them to kill, then it is wrong for me to kill them. I can only accept the need to take a life in the case of a clear and imminent threat to other humans, which prison, in general, removes.
2) The justice system makes mistakes. It makes dozens, hundreds of mistakes every day, and it makes them at the highest and most important levels. This is true of the United States and every other country in the world. It's not an issue of "progressive prosecutors", it's an issue with entrenched racism, the inherit belief that the police tells the truth, the human psyche preferring eyewitness testimony to hard evidence. It's not a left or right thing, it will always be true.
3) Because there are required appeals, re-evaluation of evidence, and dozens and dozens of people have been found to be not guilty of death row crimes, it is cheaper to not execute people. This is cold calculation, but it is the truth nonetheless.

It is a cruel thing to condemn someone to death, for any reason, and we rightfully prohibit cruelties in our base documents. It's in the US Constitution that people should be free from cruel and unusual punishment. I submit that the death penalty is both of those things. The US Supreme Court has decided otherwise, currently - that's their job.

A murderer should not have any rights, yet alone more than law-abiding citizens.

No murderer has more rights than law-abiding citizens. Citizens all have the same rights. That's what makes them rights, and it's a false dichotomy to suggest otherwise.

 

[____no5]

Ok that’s funny!

In another village (and most villages) they say "If my grandmother had bearings, she would be a skateboard."

 

[Spaldy]

I disagree. Someone who kills innocent people in cold blood should not have the chance to be rehabilitated; they offered their victims no choice and therefore they should be allowed no choice. Removing these killers from the world ensures that they can never reoffend, while imprisoning them could lead to the murder of other prisoners or, in rare cases, even escape.

So, when are you going to address my comment on Trump pardoning the mass murderers? Or do you only care about murder when it suits your agenda?

 

[Azas]

I am against death penalty. For the sake of the Humanity to move forward. Even one wrongful execution is too much. I mean, wtf. That being said, first degree murderers must serve life sentence, without any of the "he was characterised very good, so we going to release him after he served 15 years" or so.
I'm much more puzzled when unfortunate turn of events occur. A pal with his friends goes to a bar, after a few drinks becomes tipsy, some brawl begins with other company of guys, they punch one another, that other guy fells down and smashes his head to the edge of the table, dead. Those cases are so out of the blue, in that case convict must have a chance to return to society. Scary things.

 

[LooseCannon]

Oh yeah I have no problem with locking people up. I do believe people can earn second chances, y'know? But some things they shouldn't. I'm not a prison abolitionist by any stretch.

I think we put too many people in prison for things like drugs - legalize everything.

I think we put too few people in prison for things like white collar crime, fraud, attempting to illegally extend your presidency by fomenting an overthrow of the peaceful transfer of power, and stock market manipulation.

 

[Yax]

TDS!!’

 

[MrKnickerbocker]

I think we put too few people in prison for things like white collar crime, fraud, attempting to illegally extend your presidency by fomenting an overthrow of the peaceful transfer of power, and stock market manipulation.

You misspelled "The American Dream"

 

[The Garlon]

It's just so great that we elected a world renowned conman/rapist as president so that we can get cheaper eggs (not gonna happen)

 

[Azas]

 

[Detective Beauregard]

So, when are you going to address my comment on Trump pardoning the mass murderers? Or do you only care about murder when it suits your agenda?

A rare misfire on his part. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t worship at the altar of Trump; he is human like all of us. If those Blackwater guys truly opened fire on civilians unprovoked, then I believe they should be sentenced to death.

I'm much more puzzled when unfortunate turn of events occur. A pal with his friends goes to a bar, after a few drinks becomes tipsy, some brawl begins with other company of guys, they punch one another, that other guy fells down and smashes his head to the edge of the table, dead. Those cases are so out of the blue, in that case convict must have a chance to return to society. Scary things.

This is quite different, as there is no premeditation or intent. It could even be self-defense. I would never agree with the death penalty in such a case.

 

[Magnus]

Killing is wrong

 

[Magnus]

I am against death penalty.

Even if someone rapes and then kills a kid for example?
I firmly believe such vermin should be exterminated immediately, sorry.

 

[Spaldy]

A rare misfire on his part.

Rare?

Contrary to popular belief, I don’t worship at the altar of Trump;

You could have fooled me.

he is human like all of us.

Debatable.

If those Blackwater guys truly opened fire on civilians unprovoked,

They did, which is why they were convicted.

then I believe they should be sentenced to death.

Or stayed in prison. Which is where they would still be had it not been for the orange one.

 

[Azas]

Even if someone rapes and then kills a kid for example?
I firmly believe such vermin should be exterminated immediately, sorry.

I hear you, brother. My first impulse is exactly the same But wrongful executions do happen, and that is inexcusable. For the sake of the better society i'm still choosing life sentence.

 

[Azas]

Orange is The New Black.

There's joke somewhere. But i can't figure it out.

 

[LooseCannon]

Even if someone rapes and then kills a kid for example?
I firmly believe such vermin should be exterminated immediately, sorry.

Except this has happened in the States, for example, and cops instead round up the nearest black guy and he gets the needle. Like, I think that is when you throw someone in a hole for the rest of their life, clearly.

 

[Magnus]

I hear you, brother. My first impulse is exactly the same But wrongful executions do happen, and that is inexcusable. For the sake of the better society i'm still choosing life sentence.

Well you're a kinder person than myself apparently.

Orange is The New Black.

There's joke somewhere. But i can't figure it out.

Something involving Oranssi Pazuzu perhaps.

 

[Magnus]

Except this has happened in the States, for example, and cops instead round up the nearest black guy and he gets the needle. Like, I think that is when you throw someone in a hole for the rest of their life, clearly.

Suppose a case where there's absolutely no doubt someone did what I described above, would you still be against eliminating them just because killing is wrong?