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Since he doesn't strike me as a Nazi. Like, at all. I think he wanted to provoke or -in his mind- counter provoke.
No rush, we'll know soon enough who the real Elon is. We can be sure that he'll get a pass this time and that the more he's unchecked the more he'll showing his darkest side. And before long he'll be toast.
That is not how it has worked in the MAGA world. On the contrary, such things have been rewarded and has further radicalized the movement, which is why he is doing it in the first place. He knows exactly what he is doing, and as you said, it was pre-meditated.
 
@Vaenyr I'm not arguing with you about trans people's reality and problems. I wrote: "And it's irrelevant "what doctors, or scientists say" if a big part of the voters thinks otherwise."
It just means that you must educate wide masses to accept different people. Some will change their attitude, some will stay ignorant and rude and will vote for Trump.
I'm just guessing* why democrats lost and gender ideology was a factor at some level. How much of it was propaganda influenced - impossible to measure, but i am not dismissing problem as such entirely. Safest bet, Trump won because economics was bad, but immigration and gender ideology was also present at some level. And with all due respect, i do not agree that all of it was just propaganda. That's all. Let's leave it at that.

* and this guessing is not completely out of my ass. "I check the pulse" and again, i do not agree that all of it is propaganda
 
That is not how it has worked in the MAGA world. On the contrary, such things have been rewarded and has further radicalized the movement, which is why he is doing it in the first place. He knows exactly what he is doing, and as you said, it was pre-meditated.

Absolutely pre-medicated. No other choice, we have to wait and see. I wonder, could anybody press charges against this?
 
and the fucking Anti-Defamation League.
An organisation that exists solely to sue and silence critics of Israel and nothing whatsoever to do with the welfare of Jews. Them defending Musk (when they would have gone apeshit had it been someone on the left) doesn't surprise me in the slightest. A pack of insidious cowards.
 
@Vaenyr I'm not arguing with you about trans people's reality and problems. I wrote: "And it's irrelevant "what doctors, or scientists say" if a big part of the voters thinks otherwise."
It just means that you must educate wide masses to accept different people. Some will change their attitude, some will stay ignorant and rude and will vote for Trump.
I'm just guessing* why democrats lost and gender ideology was a factor at some level. How much of it was propaganda influenced - impossible to measure, but i am not dismissing problem as such entirely. Safest bet, Trump won because economics was bad, but immigration and gender ideology was also present at some level. And with all due respect, i do not agree that all of it was just propaganda. That's all. Let's leave it at that.

* and this guessing is not completely out of my ass. "I check the pulse" and again, i do not agree that all of it is propaganda
Your guesses aren't in alignment with reality. How often do I need to explain this? Gender ideology did not play any role. As I've explained multiple times already, we have data and can look at actual numbers. Trans-issues were consistently at the bottom of issues for voters. So, no it objectively wasn't a "factor at some level". Not only that, I've also explained multiple times already that the Democrats did NOT focus on gender ideology at all this time around. This isn't an opinion, this isn't up for debate. This is objectively verifiable. TRUMP focused on gender ideology, not the Dems, so fucking stop repeating the same old debunked lies. We've dealt with this weeks ago and have explained it multiple times. It's time for you to finally update your opinion.

I'm sick and tired of the trans community becoming a topic in this thread every few weeks, consistently. You are ignoring actual facts to push your outdated opinion. You can believe whatever you want, but keep it out of here if you're not interested to be called out for spreading verifiable bullshit. Simply saying "it played a factor", doesn't make it so, especially when you don't have any evidence or data to back up your opinion. Feelings are worthless when discussing such matters.

And your solution about "educating wide masses" is hilariously ironic since every single one of your comments proves how that doesn't work. I've explained these issues to you multiple times and not a single time have you adjusted your position; not a single time have you even thought about accepting a different view point. You keep repeating the same old talking points, no matter how often they are proven wrong. In a sense just like no5, but with different topics. It's exhausting and I genuinely don't understand what you're tryin to accomplish with this behavior and what your ultimate goal is.

Bottom line: I'll keep calling out this idiocy until I'm banned.
 
As for Elon Musk: The man is an unashamed white supremacist. He's been platforming and signal boosting Neonazis and other white supremacists for a while now. He knew exactly what he was doing with the salute. We already know very well what kind of person he is; he has not been shy about it. There's nothing to find out, to wait and see; we have already seen and continue every day.
 
@Vaenyr, calm down, all is well, we all here together, on this sinking ship. Seeing how fiercely you defend trans community, i remember times when i was screaming to you all, about how much help Ukraine needs and that the West is too lethargic and too cautious; and if they will abandon Ukraine, they will abandon the very ideals of democracy. This time it's vice versa... It's for sure one bitter pill to take, when other man does not hear and does not understand you.

On a lighter note. It reads: Vance, Musk, Trump
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@Azas, the difference is that we are also against Russia, we simply disagree on how to deal with them because we don't want to deal with nuclear holocaust.

The difference in this situation is that you are spreading LIES that have been disproven dozens of times, yet you pretend to be correct despite being objectively and verifiably wrong. These situations are not in any way similar.

Don't tell me to "calm down". Be fucking better. Educate yourself. Listen when people correct you on something you know very little about, something you are so clearly wrong on. This isn't about opinions and subjectivity; it's about you refusing to accept literal facts, reality and the actual truth to hold on to misguided and irrational views. Your feelings are not more important than the truth. And as I already said, I'll keep calling out this bullshit when I see it.

Time for a bit of self reflection.
 
@Azas, the difference is that we are also against Russia, we simply disagree on how to deal with them because we don't want to deal with nuclear holocaust.
...and now I am taking cautious, "proceed with care" position regarding gender ideology (in the wide meaning of it), like you did on Ukraine's topic. We changed positions. And, please, do not push me in the far right camp, i'm trying to stay in the middle.

USA citizens, please enlighten us if topics of gender ideology and immigration had some influence on past elections. The very fact of it. On a discussions level, etc.
And, remember, i would have voted for Harris, i'm not against minorities.
 
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I don't think it's justified to go after Azas with that much aggression and push him down in his boots. I think you too have some self-reflection to make here in how you make your point and how Azas somehow in this discussion becomes an avatar for the anti-trans community. It's somewhat unfair and isn't just pushing back at bullshit. You don't change anybody's views by making them small through aggression.
 
I don't think it's justified to go after Azas with that much aggression and push him down in his boots. I think you too have some self-reflection to make here in how you make your point and how Azas somehow in this discussion becomes an avatar for the anti-trans community. It's somewhat unfair and isn't just pushing back at bullshit. You don't change anybody's views by making them small through aggression.
I'm not trying to make anyone "small". We are talking about facts. This topic comes up every few weeks like clockwork and the same bullshit lies are trotted out as if they haven't been debunked every single time. See how now it is:

...and now I am taking cautious, "proceed with care" position regarding gender ideology

Which is a cowardly way of pushing bigotry. Note how Azas never backs up any claim with any source, how he always admits to not even caring about facts because he feels that something is the way it is, despite reality being different. I can post studies that conclusively show the benefits of transitioning. I can post quotes from dozens of scientific bodies, from hundreds of experts in the field showing the undeniable advantages of transitioning.

I've pushed back in this very thread time and time again against the notion that the "left" or the dems "went too far". I've made comprehensive posts asking what exactly that is supposed to mean, asking which positions were too far and laying them out in detail. Those questions are never answered. They get ignored and the next month another comment is being made treating it as a fact that the dems pushed gender ideology and that having resulted in Harris's loss, when she ran an objectively more right wing campaign than Biden, utterly ignored gender ideology (unlike Biden) and still got obliterated by Trump who did push gender ideology.

I've tried it with patience. I've tried calmly explaining the differences and the logical leaps, but we always get back to square one. As we've seen in other threads like the one about UK politics, Azas likes to share random stuff he sees on the internet and despite being told by people who know better that what he shared is simply not true, he insists on us entertaining "yeah but what if this undeniably wrong statement were right?". So, yes: I am aggressive because I'm fucking tired of constantly having to push back against lies.

The trans community is actively being stripped of their rights. The number of hate crimes against the LGBTQ community in the last years has risen sharply. I'm sorry but I'm done being calm and polite when someone tries to blame accepting a marginalized community is to blame for the fascist takeover in the US when every single voting poll consistently showed that no one cares about trans issues. It's always dead last in the list of motivating factors.

So, yeah, I'll be aggressive and hostile when someone comes to the thread with an off-topic quote from fucking Rowling of all people, to once again kick off the trans discussion, despite being objectively wrong on multiple counts, yet pretending there is nuance and room for subjectivity. Again: I can back my claims with sources and if people want specifics, ask away. Azas has stated multiple times to being ignorant on certain facts but feeling a certain way.
 
I'm not trying to make anyone "small". We are talking about facts. This topic comes up every few weeks like clockwork and the same bullshit lies are trotted out as if they haven't been debunked every single time. See how now it is:



Which is a cowardly way of pushing bigotry. Note how Azas never backs up any claim with any source, how he always admits to not even caring about facts because he feels that something is the way it is, despite reality being different. I can post studies that conclusively show the benefits of transitioning. I can post quotes from dozens of scientific bodies, from hundreds of experts in the field showing the undeniable advantages of transitioning.

I've pushed back in this very thread time and time again against the notion that the "left" or the dems "went too far". I've made comprehensive posts asking what exactly that is supposed to mean, asking which positions were too far and laying them out in detail. Those questions are never answered. They get ignored and the next month another comment is being made treating it as a fact that the dems pushed gender ideology and that having resulted in Harris's loss, when she ran an objectively more right wing campaign than Biden, utterly ignored gender ideology (unlike Biden) and still got obliterated by Trump who did push gender ideology.

I've tried it with patience. I've tried calmly explaining the differences and the logical leaps, but we always get back to square one. As we've seen in other threads like the one about UK politics, Azas likes to share random stuff he sees on the internet and despite being told by people who know better that what he shared is simply not true, he insists on us entertaining "yeah but what if this undeniably wrong statement were right?". So, yes: I am aggressive because I'm fucking tired of constantly having to push back against lies.

The trans community is actively being stripped of their rights. The number of hate crimes against the LGBTQ community in the last years has risen sharply. I'm sorry but I'm done being calm and polite when someone tries to blame accepting a marginalized community is to blame for the fascist takeover in the US when every single voting poll consistently showed that no one cares about trans issues. It's always dead last in the list of motivating factors.

So, yeah, I'll be aggressive and hostile when someone comes to the thread with an off-topic quote from fucking Rowling of all people, to once again kick off the trans discussion, despite being objectively wrong on multiple counts, yet pretending there is nuance and room for subjectivity. Again: I can back my claims with sources and if people want specifics, ask away. Azas has stated multiple times to being ignorant on certain facts but feeling a certain way.
If it really annoys you that much maybe stop engaging in conversations with Azas. I don’t mean this in a rude way, but sometimes it helps to just take a break from internet arguments.

You seem very knowledgeable on the subject, and I am curious to learn more. I have a question regarding your post. You said transitioning has benefits and advantages. I was wondering what you meant by that. Do you mean it is beneficial for only those who are not comfortable with their gender or is it beneficial to everyone?
 
Which is a cowardly way of pushing bigotry. Note how Azas never backs up any claim with any source, how he always admits to not even caring about facts because he feels that something is the way it is, despite reality being different. I can post studies that conclusively show the benefits of transitioning. I can post quotes from dozens of scientific bodies, from hundreds of experts in the field showing the undeniable advantages of transitioning.
Huh, I am not questioning benefits of transition, etc. Do you have read what i wrote, or my English is so bad that you can't understand me at all. I'm trying to deconstruct results of the elections. What topics influenced it, and even if it's pure propaganda and fake, it helped - at some level - Trump to win elections. Hello! Fake topic suddenly became very harmful and real. The real question is why Biden administration allowed that to happen, why russia (as propaganda spreader and election interferer) was not designed a terrorist country long ago with all consequences, why in every aspect of it all was taken, was only half measures. In Ukraine's thread i called West or Biden administration impotent, and you got angry over this. But looking back it's true. Elections lost, etc. Half measures do not work.
Again, regarding spreading lies and fakes, once again look at this:
Trump’s New Executive Order on ‘Male and Female’
For them (Trump gang) it's very real. Welcome to reality.
 
And to add to the wider context:

I'm sure most of you are familiar with the Niemöller "First they came" poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Looking at historical records it is easy to see that there was a group of people the Nazis targeted before going after the socialists: the Gay and Trans community. History is literally repeating itself. The far right is attacking the LGBTQ community on every level: Verbal, for quite some time; physical, increasingly every year; with legislation, hundreds of anti-trans bills being introduced in 2024 alone.

They are being dehumanized and attacked. They spent years calling people on the left pedophiles and groomers, while a huge chunk of sexual abusers and groomers comes from the political right including actual GOP politicians in power.

So when someone tries to take the bad faith framing of the right and accepts it as true, despite not only being factually wrong and having been corrected multiple times, yeah: I'm going to lose my cool. I've had it with having to entertain disproven lies that end up literally endangering people when accepted unchallenged.

Again: it's not like the Russia-Ukraine discussion where there is nuance about how to approach dealing with Putin and various subjective views. We are talking about science and facts that the right (and Rowling for that matter too) regularly distort to keep attacking a marginalized community.

If it really annoys you that much maybe stop engaging in conversations with Azas. I don’t mean this in a rude way, but sometimes it helps to just take a break from internet arguments.

You seem very knowledgeable on the subject, and I am curious to learn more. I have a question regarding your post. You said transitioning has benefits and advantages. I was wondering what you meant by that. Do you mean it is beneficial for only those who are not comfortable with their gender or is it beneficial to everyone?
I'm currently not home, so I'll give a more comprehensive answer later, but in short: people who experience gender dysphoria (basically born in the "wrong body") transitioning leads to health benefits to them. They are happier, suicide rates go down and so on.




Huh, I am not questioning benefits of transition, etc. Do you have read what i wrote, or my English is so bad that you can't understand me at all. I'm trying to deconstruct results of the elections. What topics influenced it, and even if it's pure propaganda and fake, it helped - at some level - Trump to win elections. Hello! Fake topic suddenly became very harmful and real.
That's not how these things work. As I've explained multiple times, we literally have polls that show the voters did not care about gender ideology. Not only that, TRUMP pushed it exclusively, not Harris, so I really don't get what your thought process here is.

The real question is why Biden administration allowed that to happen, why russia (as propaganda spreader and election interferer) was not designed a terrorist country long ago with all consequences, why in every aspect of it all was taken, was only half measures. In Ukraine's thread i called West or Biden administration impotent, and you got angry over this. But looking back it's true. Elections lost, etc. Half measures do not work.
Again, regarding spreading lies and fakes, once again look at this:
Trump’s New Executive Order on ‘Male and Female’
For them (Trump gang) it's very real. Welcome to reality.
That's my entire point: TRUMP is the one who demonizes the LGBTQ community, yet you come in here trying to blame the Dems and claiming the left went too far, without ever having the integrity and honesty to actually state your position. Explain in detail how they went too far. Explain how that is reflected by the election and the voters' behavior. But also finally acknowledge the facts that I've already shared with you instead of ignoring everything.
 
That makes sense. I had not heard of gender dysphoria before, it seems like a scary condition. We got to learn about transgender people in school last year, a lot of the other kids in my class were very negative towards transgender people. But they were not very knowledgeable on the subject, so when the teacher challenged their claims they had no counter argument for the most part. I think a lot of people read something on TikTok and such platforms and they are never source critical. So they get a very narrow understanding of the subject because they don’t think further about the information they acquired. So they can propose an argument but cant back it up.
 
Explain in detail how they went too far. Explain how that is reflected by the election and the voters' behavior. But also finally acknowledge the facts that I've already shared with you instead of ignoring everything.
I will restrain from it. It's a slippery slope and i already got my final warning. Now you can call me a new Number 6 5. Shit!
I aknowledge that adult trans people have every right to do with their body what they need to do.
 
I will restrain from it. It's a slippery slope and i already got my final warning. Now you can call me a new Number 6 5. Shit!
I aknowledge that adult trans people have every right to do with their body what they need to do.
Typical and expected but fair enough. How about next time you remember this prior to derailing the thread?
You said Rowling has a point in a tweet where she claims the left "betrayed" women and girls. Not only is this untrue, it is an impressive showing of projection from her, since she actively uses her time and money to harm trans and cis women.

Also: Every trans person should have the right to do with their body what they want to do. Not only adults. Trans youth exists and denying them lifesaving healthcare is cruel and unscientific. The experts know better than you. Minors aren't getting surgeries, but there is other gender affirming care that drastically increases their quality of life. They should have access to that, just like cis minors do.

That makes sense. I had not heard of gender dysphoria before, it seems like a scary condition. We got to learn about transgender people in school last year, a lot of the other kids in my class were very negative towards transgender people. But they were not very knowledgeable on the subject, so when the teacher challenged their claims they had no counter argument for the most part. I think a lot of people read something on TikTok and such platforms and they are never source critical. So they get a very narrow understanding of the subject because they don’t think further about the information they acquired. So they can propose an argument but cant back it up.

For the record, I am obviously incredibly biased on this topic. I'm politically far left and I'm of the belief that any person, no matter their gender, their religion, their nationality or ethnicity deserves the same rights and respect. Everyone deserves to live their live with dignity. Also, I've neither studied biology, nor medicine, so I'm not an authority on the subject. Feel free to second guess and fact check the things I'm about to write; don't accept them blindly because they sound "nice and neat" or something.

With that out of the way: I've been reading about and supporting the trans community for a long while at this point. Many of my friends have a background in biology and medicine. I've spent quite a bit of time reading studies on the subjects. I'll try to give some overall information on the topic to broadly cover the basics.

Biology in school is taught in very simple manners and for 99% of the things we experience in live things tend to align with the way the textbook describes them. There are always exceptions though, because biology isn't just a thing that exists; it is our way of explaining the things we see in nature. Sometimes we get things wrong. Other times we have definitions that cover most things but fail to cover a few exceptions.

So, what does it mean being trans? Let's talk about the words trans and cis. They are prefixes that come from Latin, cis means "on the same side", trans means "on the other side". They are words that are used frequently in certain contexts. For example in Organic Chemistry they use these words daily to describe certain compounds. So, transgender means that the gender of a person does not align with their biological sex. I am a cis man, that means I was born in a male body and I also identify as male; in other words, I am not trans.
Sex and gender are different things. Sex is most easily defined by chromosomes, were male individuals have XY chromosomes while female individuals have XX chromosomes. That's the basic definition. There are exceptions to those rules though. There are people who are intersex, who basically fall between the sexes and have both male and female features (note that I'm not always using accurated medical terms to make the explanations somewhat simpler). There's a condition known as Swyer's Syndrome. The individuals who have that condition have XY chromosomes, so you'd think they'd be men, but they look female and even have vaginas instead of penises. Many of them go through their whole lives thinking they are cis women (as in, not trans) only to find out after medical examinations that their chromosomes are different than they assumed. That's one of those examples that shows how real life biology is far more complex than we learn in school.
What's the deal with gender then? Gender is something that can change and something that is mostly defined by yourself and your feelings. Asking "how many genders are there" misses the point and is like asking "how many colours are between red and blue". It's a spectrum. Some people, like me, have a male gender. Others have female genders. Some people see themselves as nonbinary; that means that they don't feel like they fall on the male or female side. They might feel entirely disconnected from the spectrum or they might feel as if they belong to multiple sides at the same time. Remember: Every person is different, everyone's journey is different. We don't have to understand all of that to be able to accept and respect that.

Gender identity is something that forms very early in humans. Around the ages of 2 to 5 years old, on average. It's also something we tend to feel strongly about. Go to a little boy and call him a girl; he'll obviously get mad at you for that. Trans people have a disconnect, where the gender identity that formed and their actual biological body do not align. For simplicity's sake: a person feels they are male, but were born in a woman's body. These feelings of being in the wrong body is what is also known as gender dysphoria. It is a serious condition and unfortunately a high number of trans individuals ends up committing suicide due to not being able to deal with this situation. That's just to highlight how serious this topic is.
So, what do we do in such a situation? What's the plan when someone realizes they are trans? Various countries deal with these matters differently, but the majority of doctors world wide are in agreement that letting the trans person transition is the best course of action. Gender dysphoria is the diagnosis, transitioning the treatment to deal with that.

There are multiple ways for people to transition and it is different for every person. Some might want to do all the things I'll mention, others might be happy with only a few of them. Everyone's journey is different and equally valid.

The first step that is recommended is what's known as "social transitioning". Things like changing your name, your pronouns, your hair style and your clothes. Those are all easily reversed, so if the person realizes that they actually aren't trans they can just go back without any harm done. So, the person who is born in a female body but feels that they are a boy? Well, when socially transitioning he might cut his hair short, start wearing boys' clothes and use "he" and "him" as pronouns instead of "she" and "her". For many trans people this is already an easy but great first step that helps them feel more comfortable in their skin.

The next step, when talking about minors, is the use of puberty blockers. Those were developed 50-ish years ago for cis kids who went too early into puberty. They "stop" puberty and delay it until it is healthy to resume at the appropriate age. So, you know how boys get taller, start getting facial hair, their voice becomes lower and all that? A trans girl (born in a boy's body, but identifies as female) would obviously hate it if her voice became deeper and she started growing a beard. Same with a trans boy (born in a girl's body, identifies as male), he would prefer to have a low voice but instead starts menstruating and getting wider hips. They essentially go "through the wrong puberty", if you will. Those things increase the feelings of gender dysphoria. The idea behing puberty blockers is to give the trans youth more time to be sure that they are trans before continuing with their journey. They stop puberty, but it will resume once they stop taking the blockers. So if someone thinks they are trans, takes the blockers and after a year or two realizes "hey, I'm not trans after all, I'm actually cis" they stop with the blockers and everything continues "like normal".
As I mentioned, the blockers were originally developed for cis youth and have been used like that for decades. Some countries want the blockers banned for trans people, because they don't want trans kids to be able to transition, but this is a political discussion for another time. The majority of experts world wide believe trans kids should be able to use the blockers, so that they get more time.

Also, important to note: All steps of a transition, especially with minors, are done with close supervision of doctors and the parents. A kid can't just get a surgery. It takes literal years and countless appointments. In some countries you also have to have regular appointments with a psychiatrist. Just to add some context and to remind that it's not an easy decision that someone might make overnight.

After this the next step is hormone therapy. Trans women (born in a male body) start taking estrogen, while trans men (born in a female body) start taking testosterone. This acts like a second puberty, but now they go through the one that aligns with their gender, instead of their birth sex. For example:

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This is a picture of a trans man. He was born in a female body, but thanks to the hormone therapy he went through a "male puberty" if we wanna call it that. His voice dropped, his shoulders got wider, he started growing facial hair. All that stuff. Obviously every person is different and people respond differently, but this is just to show you how effective these therapies can actually be.
These are not easily reversed. In fact, if a person regrets their transition there will be things that can't be changed. That's why this isn't available for kids and why it takes so many years to even get to the point of being able to start with this therapy. At the same time, if a trans kid was denied puberty blockers and they went through the "wrong" puberty, they also have to deal with changes that they didn't want that are not easily changed. That's why it is important for them to get the time that they need to be certain with how they'll continue and to be sure that they are trans.
You might hear from people that some kids say they are trans just because of it being a trend. Considering how much harassment trans individuals face in society this is a pretty silly claim. There is also no evidence to suggest such a thing. From what we know, the people who claim to be trans are doing so because they are experiencing gender dysphoria, not because they were duped into it by some TikTok video or stuff like that.

So, after a trans person reaches adulthood and underwent hormone replacement therapy, they might decide to also get surgeries. A trans man like the one in the picture above might decide to get surgery to turn the vagina he was born with into a penis. A trans woman (born in a male body, I repeat these things because I know how complicated and confusing all these terms can be in the beginning) might get surgery to get breast. This doesn't even have to be a sexual thing; it's about feeling comfortable in your skin. Imagine if you are male that you wake up tomorrow, you go to the bathroom and see that you have no penis. It might be interesting for a minute, but if this were a permanent change you'd obviously be freaked out and you'd love to change that. Surgery is a way for trans people to change their body in a way that aligns with their gender, or what they feel as their true self.

I hope I mentioned most of the important things and didn't miss anything vital. Feel free to ask any further or clarifying questions (and if this isn't the thread for it you can send me a DM). For me all of this is pretty simple: Everyone of us, whether we are cis or trans, are having to deal with a variety of problems in our lives. Why make it difficult for one another? Treat each other with dignity and respect. If someone says to you "hey, my name is John" you will call him John, right? You won't go "no, you look like a Kevin, I'll call you Kevin". That would be an asshole thing to do. Same thing with gender, pronouns and all that. If you ever meet a trans person and they tell you their name and pronouns it's easier to respect that and use those, instead of going out of your way to annoy them. Live and let live and all that.
 
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