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Diesel 11 said:
Even leaving aside Watergate, the war on drugs and the bombings of Cambodia alone tank his presidency.
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He was not perfect but seeing what we got post Reagan I consider him better than most after him.

Diesel 11 said:
No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, the illegal invasion of Iraq, Abu Ghraib, and by the end of his presidency the country was in a recession that he failed to combat.

Come on, man.
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We better agree to disagree on that one. In my opinion Biden is hugely responsible for such things that you wouldn’t accept, like war in Ukraine, closest to WWIII since ever, Nordstream, inflation in Europe & vassal-isation of EU, genocide in Gaza, lawfare against political opponent, most shameful pardon ever, border crisis, beginning of the end for dollar dominance (actually a good thing but still) and more.
I know and remember how terrible Bush Jr. was but imo Biden is even lower. Only the fact that he okayed to cross the one Russian red line after he lost the elections and without consulting the president elect tells you everything you need to know.
I felt sorry about him after the “coup d’état” by Obama and company last summer but I was wrong: He took what he deserved. Good riddance.
We have talked again and again about those things in this and other threads, nothing left unsaid, it’s good to just agree to disagree sometimes.
 
Detective Beauregard said:
The majority of Americans do not trust mainstream media anymore because it is clearly biased.
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Brainwashing & propaganda are features in every country but the Western mainstream ones are the most sophisticated, disguised and thus the most dangerous; tons of college educated people consume it as reliable information and still believe they are free thinkers and all.
 
____no5 said:
Brainwashing & propaganda are features in every country but the Western mainstream ones are the most sophisticated, disguised and thus the most dangerous; tons of college educated people consume it as reliable information and still believe they are free thinkers and all.
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As someone who has graduated from three colleges, I couldn’t agree more. Far leftism is taught almost as if it’s fact, and any attitudes or opinions to the contrary are shunned. I got my bachelors from a Catholic university in 2010, and even there, leftism lurked. I had one professor tell all the white people in his class that we were inherently racist simply because we were white… and this was back in 2009, long before all the DEI crap became more mainstream.

Colleges can teach you things, but what they can’t teach is common sense.
 
Generally the number one goal of educational systems anywhere is to brainwash towards the dominant ideology. One needs to know things for his profession but above all one needs to be part of a society and general consensus.
This is the reason DEI never touches the diversity of not having a college degree. If having common sense serves the dominant ideology they will teach you. And right now in States, it probably doesn't.

As someone who has grown up in Europe, I think the distinction between left and right isn't accurate anymore. Most European countries by US standards are left, no matter if they are ruled by right (usually the case) or left parties. Worse, left and right will follow the same directions -if not policies- in the end. Nobody touches DEI or Global Warming. Whoever questions IMF, Euro, EU, NATO etc., will be labelled as far-something, usually far-right lately. EU will find a way to punish the governments who don't stay in line. In Romania Supreme Court just cancelled the first round of Elections on grounds of Tic Tok influence (!!) as the "far-right" candidate was leading by huge margin. Now they are working of remove him from ballot altogether.
I always thought that I am a left person as I consider redistribution of wealth and democratisation of the workplace as good principals, but lately I find myself agreeing more with Trump than Biden, more with Orban than Macron.
I find more sense in traditional values than this nonsense of social disruption for the sake of it.

Thus, I think what happens today in the world could better be described, for lack of better term, as Sovereignists vs Globalists.
 
Detective Beauregard said:
As someone who has graduated from three colleges, I couldn’t agree more. Far leftism is taught almost as if it’s fact, and any attitudes or opinions to the contrary are shunned. I got my bachelors from a Catholic university in 2010, and even there, leftism lurked. I had one professor tell all the white people in his class that we were inherently racist simply because we were white… and this was back in 2009, long before all the DEI crap became more mainstream.

Colleges can teach you things, but what they can’t teach is common sense.
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Almost as if reality has a left wing bias. Need I remind you of the time you went on a rant and stated a bunch of objectively incorrect things like "why do we have Pride month instead of honoring veterans?" when there are already multiple days and months that are for honoring veterans? And that's just one of numerous examples where you had a strong opinion about something while actively being wrong at the same time. But no, it's the evil marxists and leftists indoctrinating the youth with pesky things like critical thinking, science and cold hard facts.

Man, conservatives really live in their own fantasy world.
 
Vaenyr said:
Almost as if reality has a left wing bias. Need I remind you of the time you went on a rant and stated a bunch of objectively incorrect things like "why do we have Pride month instead of honoring veterans?" when there are already multiple days and months that are for honoring veterans? And that's just one of numerous examples where you had a strong opinion about something while actively being wrong at the same time. But no, it's the evil marxists and leftists indoctrinating the youth with pesky things like critical thinking, science and cold hard facts.

Man, conservatives really live in their own fantasy world.
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Don't bother. Kool Aid has free refill these days.
 
Onhell said:
Nah, he's left *rim shot*
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Call it what you like, obviously I'm a brainwashed victim with no common sense who can't see the obvious truth. And so are you and everyone else, for that matter, except for the few people who woke up and support Trump and Musk, because they very clearly are not forming a cabal of extremely rich people bent on rigging the system in their favour... no, let's not go there.
 
____no5 said:
Biden is hugely responsible for such things that you wouldn’t accept, like war in Ukraine.... genocide in Gaza,
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I see you've discovered Schrödinger's Biden. Powerful enough to force Russia into invading Ukraine but not powerful enough to stop Israel from bombing the Gaza strip.
 
No, no, no guys, you see:

Putin invaded Ukraine and somehow that is Biden's fault. Bush's actions resulted in over a million excess deaths in the Middle East, but somehow Biden is sooo much more evil and corrupt when by pure numbers the wars Bush actively started resulted in far more deaths and destruction.

Subscribe for more blatant misinformation and Russian propaganda talking points. /s

Also: Remember when Trump claimed to "drain the swamp" yet his next cabinet will be the wealthiest administration the US has ever seen? America is an oligarchy, even more than it was at any point in history before. But let's lie about Biden instead, because we agree with Trump and Musk (or rather Putin, to be honest). :rolleyes:
 
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Detective Beauregard said:
I used to think Musk was a Bond villain, but now it’s clear that he’s more like Q, creating the technology for Team Trump to be more efficient. Can’t wait for him and Vivek to trim the fat with DOGE.

15 more days!
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Life is truly stranger than fiction.
 
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