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[Yax]

Equality against the law and 10% for the big guy

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I thought you'd love this, all this talk of lawfare and all (and Trump said that he himself would pardon Hunter Biden). Trump has said, and his pick for the DOJ, that they are going after Trump's enemies - that is why it is far reaching and not just covering the gun charge. If you were true to your own words, you'd eat this up. Let's just say that there is zero moral high ground on account of the MAGA movement. That being said, they will weaponize this to shield Trump's Jan 6th pardons.

Now, I don't think Biden should have been pardoned in a sane world, but here we are. Maybe Presidential pardons and Presidential immunities shouldn't be a thing, or severely reined in.

Edit:
I found this fun quote on Twitter which, if crude, sort of covers it: "If you’re A-Ok with Trump pardoning war criminals, rapists, traitors, spousal abusers, insurrectionists and business cheats, but outraged by Joe Biden pardoning his formerly drug addicted, now recovering, private citizen, civilian son, congratulations — you are an idiot, an asshole and you’re in a fucking cult."
Oh, and Trump pardoned Ivanka's father-in-law and made in ambassador to France. But that's A-OK.

That being said, I don't think Presidential pardons for family, relatives or associates should be allowed, but as it stands, it's well within the right of the President.

 

[Mosh]

Based on 5’s previous comments about law fare, this seems like the sort of thing he was advocating for.

 

[Yax]

Based on 5’s previous comments about law fare, this seems like the sort of thing he was advocating for.

Exactly.

 

[Jer]

Let me just say that independent of anything else, pardoning Hunter was a hypocritical load of shit and never should have happened.

 

[srfc]

Maybe Presidential pardons and Presidential immunities shouldn't be a thing, or severely reined in.

Of course they should be, this is middle ages King shit.

 

[____no5]

Based on 5’s previous comments about law fare, this seems like the sort of thing he was advocating for.

It kind of proves there was a lawfare, though. Joe pardons son and indirectly pardons him for future 10% for the big guy investigations.

If you were true to your own words, you'd eat this up. Let's just say that there is zero moral high ground on account of the MAGA movement. That being said, they will weaponize this to shield Trump's Jan 6th pardons.

I didn't love the lawfare against Trump, or any lawfare, why I should love this monster? Care to explain? There has been some misunderstanding here.

 

[Yax]

I didn't love the lawfare against Trump, or any lawfare, why I should love this monster? Care to explain? There has been some misunderstanding here.

Because the GOP, previously through Comer and the House, are primarily going after Hunter because he is Joe Biden's son. You should be applauding Joe Biden for dismantling the potential lawfare from a Trump DOJ against Hunter Biden.

If we were living in a sane world, both Trump and Hunter Biden would be in jail, but we aren't. Both are dodging it (though in the case of Hunter Biden's gun charges, specifically, it's staggeringly hypocritic of the MAGA rooting for him going to jail over 2ND AMENDMENT STUFF!!!11, which shows they are very selective in their outrage).

 

[Perun]

For the record, @____no5 and for future reference, all of us here agree that Biden shouldn't have issued the pardon and that this is a case of hypocrisy and nepotism. Just in case you're planning to bring this up in the future.

 

[Yax]

Almost. I think that as a father and human being, he definitely should pardon Hunter Biden under the circumstances if within his powers. I don't think he should be able to though.

 

[Perun]

But of course, Trumpists can top the hypocrisy on display here, as always.

 

[Vaenyr]

Trump issued 144 pardons in his previous admin and promised literally hundreds more in the next.

Biden has issued 25 pardons.

Any outrage is manufactured and not to be taken seriously.

 

[Jer]

It kind of proves there was a lawfare, though.

No, it just proves that Joe Biden is a hypocrite on this issue.

 

[Flaming Blimp Crash]

Almost. I think that as a father and human being, he definitely should pardon Hunter Biden under the circumstances if within his powers. I don't think he should be able to though.

I get why he did it, but the executive should not have that power to begin with. Whether it be for those who the executive has a personal relationship or for staff within one's administration, you should be barred from being allowed to issue pardons for them.

 

[Yax]

I get why he did it, but the executive should not have that power to begin with. Whether it be for those who the executive has a personal relationship or for staff within one's administration, you should be barred from being allowed to issue pardons for them.

Yep, exactly what I was saying throughout my posts.

 

[____no5]

Almost. I think that as a father and human being, he definitely should pardon Hunter Biden under the circumstances if within his powers. I don't think he should be able to though.

I’m ok with presidential pardon. Except this was over the top and unethical. It doesn’t change my opinion on pardons, which I find in order, but showcases who Biden really was.

@Vaenyr The argument that Trump issued many more pardons isn’t too strong. This was once in a century pardon to a family member and indirectly self pardon. And besides, are you comparing Biden with Trump the “autocrat”? Just 3 months ago you were saying that no one’s above the law etc.

Where’s the evidence or precedent or even motive that Trump would go after Hunter/Joe Biden? He didn’t go after Hilary or anyone else before. Biden felt Trump would go after him because he did it first. @Jer

 

[Perun]

So you don't have a problem with authoritarian policies, only when the guy you don't like does them. At least you're open about it.

 

[Jer]

Where’s the evidence or precedent or even motive that Trump would go after Hunter/Joe Biden? He didn’t go after Hilary or anyone else before. Biden felt Trump would go after him because he did it first. @Jer

I wasn’t saying that Trump necessarily would. I’m saying that Hunter got his due process, was convicted and sentenced, and Joe should have let the result stand because Hunter had a fair trial. Not doing that while expecting others to do so for other matters was extremely hypocritical.

 

[____no5]

So you don't have a problem with authoritarian policies, only when the guy you don't like does them. At least you're open about it.

No Perun, my problem here is the huge hypocrisy which 10%-for-the-big-guy Biden applies.
And the scale of this pardon is off the charts. There’s no pardon Trump ever remotely issued close to this. Trump is Trump. He was compared to Hitler or similar by the left press. That’s why we had 2 assassination attempts and 88 cases against him.
No Democrat can say “yes, but Trump did the same”, because by doing that they put themselves to the same boat with the Devil.
Half the forum was crying that nobody is above the law but what is a sweeping “once in generations” pardon if not preemptive obstruction of justice?

Democrats are supposed to be the good guys and look what legacy Biden is now leaving: 88 charges against an ex President and president candidate, 2 assassination attempts against same, nepotism, wars, recession, genocide, regime changes. Not forgetting border crisis inside or Nord Stream, or allowing missiles hit inside Russia in the 11th hour without even consulting president-elect. It’s a terrible, terrible legacy.
Biden is the worst president I can remember, by far exceeding Bush Jr.
You will come to the same conclusion eventually, I’m just trying to accelerate the process.

PS. I know for Nord Stream or others you’ll say there’s no evidence than Biden was behind or not his responsibility.
Let’s just say for now that all the above happened in his watch which is undeniable and with time, now that he’s out, evidences will flow more freely and then we’ll meet somewhere in the middle or not so middle.

 

[Vaenyr]

The voting populace showed that they do not care about the law. They voted for a convicted felon. Trump got away with everything, so I'll say it again:

Any outrage about this is manufactured and entirely hypocritical. Is Biden a hypocrite? Sure. But look at who Trump has pardoned already and what he's promised to do next year. So sick of these tired and transparent propaganda talking points. Complaining about "lawfare" against Trump but immediately attacking Biden over it? Pure, distilled hypocrisy.

Also, unlike Trump who has broken so many laws but hasn't faced any justice (and will never face any justice either), Hunter was prosecuted and took a plea deal which was scrapped at the last minute. He was targeted for being Biden's son, had revenge porn entered into congressional record by a sitting member of the House. He wasn't treated as a civilian commiting crimes, as any one of us would've been. He was explicitly treated differently because he's Biden's son.

So, while I'm not a fan of presidential pardons in the first place, anyone defending Trump but attacking Biden on this topic shows their true colours. As if that were necessary and not immediately obvious lol

 

[Vaenyr]

He was compared to Hitler or similar by the left press.

His own VP called him Hitler.

That’s why we had 2 assassination attempts

The shooter was Republican. The second individual didn't even shoot him and was a former Trump supporter as well.

and 88 cases against him.

Because he broke multiple laws.

No Democrat can say “yes, but Trump did the same”, because by doing that they put themselves to the same boat with the Devil.

Nah, that's transparent bullshit to defend Trump with your utterly lopsided principles

Half the forum was crying that nobody is above the law but what is a sweeping “once in generations” pardon if not preemptive obstruction of justice?

There's nothing "once in generations" about it. Furthermore, Trump got away with everything, so you can't point at Biden. Either be consistent with your views and apply them to everyone, or stop.

88 charges against an ex President and president candidate,

If he didn't want to be charged he shouldn't have been a literal criminal.

2 assassination attempts against same,

By his own supporters, not by the left and certainly not motivated by Biden.

nepotism,

Oh, you mean like the billions of dollars Jared Kushner received? Or the multiple family members of Trump that worked for him during his first admin? You aren't fooling anyone with your hyper-partisanship.

wars,

Not Biden's fault.

recession,

Literally impacted by Trump's previous administration and something Biden has been salvaging.

genocide,

The only fair criticism so far.

regime changes.

Every US president, including Trump, is guilty of this and you know it.

Not forgetting border crisis inside or Nord Stream,

Yawn.

or allowing missiles hit inside Russia in the 11th hour without even consulting president-elect.

We know you love Russia, but it is in fact not an ally of the US.

Biden is the worst president I can remember, by far exceeding Bush Jr.

Suuure lmao

You will come to the same conclusion eventually, I’m just trying to accelerate the process.

Nah, no one is falling for your talking points.