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LooseCannon said:
Both of Obama's wins were far more impressive than Trump's, a fact I'm sure nobody brings up to his face if they want him to be happy in that moment. He won, but it was a strikingly narrow victory.
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In pure numbers yes, but look what Trump had to pass through this time round, a huge legal process, a huge wave of propaganda against him, convicted felon, assassination attempts, 1:3 disadvantage in funding and all nine yards and there’s no win more impressive for the last 100 years.
 
Mosh said:
Does anyone think Trump/republicans would actually give Canada 53 electoral votes that would almost certainly go blue?
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It's how you know that it never gonna happen.

Having said that Trudeau's reaction was ultra docile and it's shameful that he has been at the helm for so long. He absolutely deserved to be ousted.
And it's kind of telling how Trump with one tweet finished Trudeau's career and almost had Greenland declared independence. The reaction from Denmark was ultra lame as well.
First Nord Stream, then this, it's sad to see what Europe has become, but here we are.
 
____no5 said:
In pure numbers yes, but look what Trump had to pass through this time round, a huge legal process, a huge wave of propaganda against him, convicted felon, assassination attempts, 1:3 disadvantage in funding and all nine yards and there’s no win more impressive for the last 100 years.
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I'm sorry but you have passed into the land of supreme comedy. Reagan won, in his first election, I think all EC votes but 49 and a popular vote landslide. The second was 525 to 13 and over 58% of the popular vote. That is perhaps the most impressive victory in 50 years, but Roosevelt 1935 won all EC but 8 and that one could certainly be argued being the most impressive victory. Trump doesn't even come close. This is just too much.
 
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Yax said:
I'm sorry but you have passed into the land of supreme comedy. Reagan won, in his first election, I think all EC votes but 49 and a popular vote landslide. The second was 525 to 13 and over 58% of the popular vote. That is perhaps the most impressive victory in 50 years, but Roosevelt 1935 won all EC but 8 and that one could certainly be argued being the most impressive victory. Trump doesn't even come close. This is just too much.
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I’m aware of all these but as I said it’s not about numbers. Only the fact that he was still standing let alone win makes this impressive and unprecedented. Not to mention he was the only one in 100+ years to rebound after having lost.
 
You can't apply some kind of qualitative markers to something that is quantatively weighed. Election results are about how many vote for you and how many EC votes you win. You can't matter-of-factly state that those markers, some highly subjective and others completely ignore the other end of the spectrum (what about the massive amounts of anti Dem propaganda for instance? If Harris had won, would that have made her win extra special), make it the most impressive win ever.

Now, it might be what impresses YOU the most, but that's quite a different thing than presenting it as some kind of fact.
 
Yax said:
You can't apply some kind of qualitative markers to something that is quantatively weighed. Election results are about how many vote for you and how many EC votes you win. You can't matter-of-factly state that those markers, some highly subjective and others completely ignore the other end of the spectrum (what about the massive amounts of anti Dem propaganda for instance?), make it the most impressive win ever.

Now, it might be what impresses YOU the most, but that's quite a different thing than presenting it as some kind of fact.
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Agreed with this line of thought, I didn’t state it as a fact but as my opinion, if this was misunderstood my bad that I didn’t make it more clear.
 
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Yax said:
I'm sorry but you have passed into the land of supreme comedy. Reagan won, in his first election, I think all EC votes but 49 and a popular vote landslide. The second was 525 to 13 and over 58% of the popular vote. That is perhaps the most impressive victory in 50 years, but Roosevelt 1935 won all EC but 8 and that one could certainly be argued being the most impressive victory. Trump doesn't even come close. This is just too much.
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Nixon in 1972 was even bigger than Satan
Reagan. Won everything except MA and DC, 520-17 EC votes and 60.7% of the popular vote, and boy did America end up eating that one.
 
Vaenyr said:
Folks, don't forget: It's not about facts or numbers. It's about feelings. They feel that Trump's victory was impressive, so it has to be correct.

That's it. It's that simple.
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I'm fine with calling it an impressive victory, because its clarity countered predictions. The result was a shock and unexpected. What I don't get is why we can't leave it at that but must declare it "unprecedented", "most impressive victory ever", "against all odds" and whatnot. Why always go to the extreme?

And it's everywhere. Biden can't just be a bad president with objectionable policies, he must be the Worst President Ever and everything he did cannot be anything less than unprecedented, shameful, moving the country and the world to the edge of destruction, it must be all that, it can't just be a mediocre decision or a move with some negative consequences that need to be ironed out. Everything always has to be amped up to the max.
 
Perun said:
I'm fine with calling it an impressive victory, because its clarity countered predictions. The result was a shock and unexpected. What I don't get is why we can't leave it at that but must declare it "unprecedented", "most impressive victory ever", "against all odds" and whatnot. Why always go to the extreme?
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We're in the age where people describe a cup of coffee as iconic.
 
And before anyone brings it up, I don't actually think Trump, First Term was the worst president. He was bad, but Buchanan, Nixon and Reagan were worse for the country and the world.
 
I don't think Nixon was as bad, but Reagan? He was almost universally acclaimed as one of the best last time I checked.
 
Perun said:
And before anyone brings it up, I don't actually think Trump, First Term was the worst president. He was bad, but Buchanan, Nixon and Reagan were worse for the country and the world.
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Wow, wow, wow. Even with Trump Stacking the courts to strip federal protections and pave the way for a blatant American theocracy? That GENERATIONAL damage is only rivaled by the two you mentioned and with possibly greater effect on most people's daily lives.
 
It's morbidly fascinating that we have people claiming Biden to be evil incarnate, the catalyst for WW3 and so on. At the same time we have Trump being entirely unhinged and making threats of annexation to Mexico, Canada, Greenland, Denmark and Panama. He refused to rule out military action against a NATO ally. But Biden is the warmonger, clearly.
 
Onhell said:
Wow, wow, wow. Even with Trump Stacking the courts to strip federal protections and pave the way for a blatant American theocracy? That GENERATIONAL damage is only rivaled by the two you mentioned and with possibly greater effect on most people's daily lives.
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To be fair, we are still experiencing the effects of Reaganomics now, more than ever. Trump sits comfortably in the bottom of the presidents and he has a lot of potential to leave an even worse legacy, but we can't forget that other presidents were responsible for things like the Trail of Tears.

The history of the united states is rather short but frighteningly full of suffering and horror.
 
Vaenyr said:
It's morbidly fascinating that we have people claiming Biden to be evil incarnate, the catalyst for WW3 and so on. At the same time we have Trump being entirely unhinged and making threats of annexation to Mexico, Canada, Greenland, Denmark and Panama. He refused to rule out military action against a NATO ally. But Biden is the warmonger, clearly.
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You're clearly misinformed.

Trump is either being hilarious, and he's definitely not serious, or he's a great patriot with ideas as big as bigly hands!
 
In historical rankings of US presidents, Reagan has been steadily declining. The latest APSA poll has him at 16th where he was once 6th, and I think that will continue to drop as the ramifications of Reagan's disastrous policies continue to become clear.

Trump, for reference, ranked 45 out of 45 in that poll. A notable decline from his highest place of 41.
 
Onhell said:
Wow, wow, wow. Even with Trump Stacking the courts to strip federal protections and pave the way for a blatant American theocracy? That GENERATIONAL damage is only rivaled by the two you mentioned and with possibly greater effect on most people's daily lives.
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He's just finishing Reagan's work in the things you mentioned.
 
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