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"What do we see? No one in the US has responded to Trump's openly fascist, predatory speeches, which are essentially no different from Putin's rhetoric. Where is Congress, the Senate, the parties. Where is the Supreme Court. Where are the demonstrations of US citizens? No one. Everyone is chickening out."
 
Azas said:
"What do we see? No one in the US has responded to Trump's openly fascist, predatory speeches, which are essentially no different from Putin's rhetoric. Where is Congress, the Senate, the parties. Where is the Supreme Court. Where are the demonstrations of US citizens? No one. Everyone is chickening out."
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No idea where that quote is from, but the answer is that a third of the country openly supports him. The Supreme Court has a conservative majority. The GOP has the trifecta. The doors are open wide for Trump and his fellow grifters to do what they want.
 
Vaenyr said:
No idea where that quote is from, but the answer is that a third of the country openly supports him. The Supreme Court has a conservative majority. The GOP has the trifecta. The doors are open wide for Trump and his fellow grifters to do what they want.
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And more than half of the country supports him overall, as evidenced by the popular vote. Exciting times coming!
 
Detective Beauregard said:
And more than half of the country supports him overall, as evidenced by the popular vote. Exciting times coming!
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*just slightly more than half of the 64% of eligible voters who turned out to vote.

Certainly not "half the country". 36% of the voting population either didn't care enough about either candidate, think both were terrible, or were physically/financially/mentally/whatever unable to cast a vote.

So....31.5% of eligible voting Americans preferred Trump. That's not a win for anybody. It's a loss for both sides.

Also, it will be very interesting to see what happens in 4 years considering the two demographics that won Trump the popular vote were Latinos and young adults 18-29. These two groups will only grow in numbers and power.
 
49.9% is a plurality, not a majority. It is a thin margin between the two, but it is a very real one. More people voted for not-Trump than voted for Trump, and less people participated in this election than the previous one.
 
FWIW this election was pretty much “Trump” or “not Trump.” Anyone who didn’t vote imo was choosing Trump.
 
Mosh said:
FWIW this election was pretty much “Trump” or “not Trump.” Anyone who didn’t vote imo was choosing Trump.
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That's an argument that could be made from a philosophical perspective, but in the factual perspective of the popular vote, Trump failed to win 50%+1. He fell exactly 298,619 votes short of winning a majority.

I think this makes him the only two-term president to not win a majority of the popular vote on either of his wins.

Edit: Seems like this happened to Clinton, although he had major third party challengers in both elections, but still.

Goodness, Woody Wilson, too? Nevermind then, I guess it's happened a few times. Although he does appear to be the only one for whom it happened without a significant (multi-million) vote getter in 3rd.
 
... And Harris was around 250k votes spread throughout a few swing states away from winning the Electoral College. This was far from the "overwhelming victory" Trump is portraying it as. It's nowhere near Obama's EC or popular vote wins, and that's a recent set of elections. Obama's first term? Now that was more of a landslide than Trump.
 
Both of Obama's wins were far more impressive than Trump's, a fact I'm sure nobody brings up to his face if they want him to be happy in that moment. He won, but it was a strikingly narrow victory.
 
Obama’s electoral victories feel like the end of an era. He flipped states like Indiana. I’m not sure we will see an expanded map like that from either party for a long time.

Although we also haven’t had an election without Trump since 2012….
 
Well, it is really interesting. There is a lot of data, mostly the midterms, that strongly suggests Trump is the reason for increased voter turnouts across the nation. Post-Trump will be fascinating. We saw in the 2024 primaries that you cannot easily wrest control of MAGA from a living, active Trump. It appears Elon Musk might try next, but I am not sure that whatever candidates he picks will do so. It could be that post-Trump, a huge amount of voters simply stop voting again, and we go back to 60% turnouts.
 
LooseCannon said:
Well, it is really interesting. There is a lot of data, mostly the midterms, that strongly suggests Trump is the reason for increased voter turnouts across the nation. Post-Trump will be fascinating. We saw in the 2024 primaries that you cannot easily wrest control of MAGA from a living, active Trump. It appears Elon Musk might try next, but I am not sure that whatever candidates he picks will do so. It could be that post-Trump, a huge amount of voters simply stop voting again, and we go back to 60% turnouts.
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If he gets his way, you'll get to vote too!
 
LooseCannon said:
Both of Obama's wins were far more impressive than Trump's, a fact I'm sure nobody brings up to his face if they want him to be happy in that moment. He won, but it was a strikingly narrow victory.
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In pure numbers yes, but look what Trump had to pass through this time round, a huge legal process, a huge wave of propaganda against him, convicted felon, assassination attempts, 1:3 disadvantage in funding and all nine yards and there’s no win more impressive for the last 100 years.
 
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