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Detective Beauregard
Leviathan of Doggerland
I am not anti-trans, but what I am is pro-common sense. Bikinis are for women, and women don’t have penises. Outside of some extremely rare situations, there are two sexes – male and female. People are free to “transition” phenotypically, but genotypically they will always be what their sex chromosomes dictate. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, by the way:
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
After investigating numerous sources, I admit that I was incorrect about the tuck-friendly bikinis being for kids, so for that I apologize.
Posting pictures of trans men who obviously “pass” is extreme, as we all know that most trans individuals do not. Again, I do not care what people choose to do with their lives, as long as it does not negatively affect others. So when I am being screamed at because I call a trans person “he” (not intentionally, mind you) when I had no idea what they were, that is negatively affecting others. People don’t have signs around their necks that say “I’m they/them.” If someone tells me they prefer “they/them” or whatever, I will abide by their wishes to be respectful. But in my experience many don’t, and just assume that you should know.
By the same logic I can tell people that I identify as a squid, and that my preferred pronoun is “Lieutenant Kraken.” I would have just as much right to get upset and cause a scene as a trans person would, no? Sound crazy? Well, that’s what the majority of Americans think of preferred pronouns, and it’s not just conservatives. And it’s not going to change.
It is a shame that trans people can be victims of assault because of their choices, and obviously I don’t advocate for violence of any kind. That is uncalled for.
Okay, so Lia Thomas won only once. Kudos to the biological women like Kate Douglass who beat her. But that doesn’t change the fact that in general, biological men are stronger than biological women:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7930971/
https://www.acsm.org/news-detail/20...is-of-sex-differences-in-athletic-performance
Along the same lines, why do we have a pride month? It makes no damn sense. We don’t even have a veteran’s month, you know, to celebrate the people who have given their lives, bodies, and minds to defend our nation. But we have an entire month dedicated to people because of who they’re attracted to? That’s insanity, and again, anti-common sense.
Kamala Harris did support defunding the police, but during her campaign was unsurprisingly tight-lipped on the issue:
https://americafirstpolicy.com/issu...us-views-on-law-enforcement-and-public-safety
Even Comrade Bernie Sanders stated that she would say anything in order to win the election:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...olls-voters-policy-guns-fracking/75144586007/
This woman is not to be trusted, and thankfully the American people saw right through her. I’m hoping that after January we’ll never hear from her again.
Rolling Stone is an extremely left-biased site, and this article and its title are laughable. Even an “icon” of the left, Bill Maher (who I admit I do have a slight bit of respect for since he won’t hesitate to call out his party’s bullshit) defended Trump here:
Trump Fantasizes About Putting Liz Cheney in Front of Firing Squad
Donald Trump fantasized about having former Rep. Liz Cheney shot by firing squad during a campaign event in Arizona.www.rollingstone.com
So much for the left being mean using violent rhetoric.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill...ippies-always-said_n_67262a04e4b00acf55d9ef30
Also, we had four years of Trump before, and none of the liberals’ fears materialized. He didn’t execute anyone. He didn’t nuke anyone. This is just classic leftist media bias at work, and articles like this are a massive part of why Trump won. The majority of American people know that the mainstream media has a huge left bias, and they’re sick of it.
I’m not shocked at how none of you have mentioned Biden calling Trump’s supporters (read: half of the country) “garbage,” and how Kamala’s campaign scrambled in its final moments to distance itself from his comments. I’m sure most of you agree with him, though. I’m shocked that Biden never said “CornPop made me say it” or “My uncle and I talked about it yesterday, just before he was eaten by cannibals.” What a fool.
Trump’s response, though – showing up for a rally in Green Bay in a garbage truck – was hysterical. It was also practical, since he won Wisconsin.
At first I thought this was a joke, but this is actually what fans of his call themselves. Hilarious.
Policy is exactly why Americans reelected him; they can see beyond what many consider to be a "rough" personality in favor of what the man and his future admininstration can accomplish.
Absolutely. Her entire campaign was all flash and no substance, with her main message being "Trump bad."
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
Yes we do. It's November.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Uh, no, sorry. That's bullshit and has nothing to do with "common sense" as you claim. The vast majority of medical experts world wide is pro-trans. They are pro-transitioning because it is the logical and humane thing to do. It's has a plethora of benefits while the negatives are miniscule. There's a reason that trans folks getting surgery have among the highest satisfaction rates. I'll go into more detail in the following parts of my post to explain why your view is anti-trans, even if you don't consciously realize that.
Bikinis are clothing and can be worn by anyone. High heels were originally worn by men. Multiple cultures, including my own (Greeks) have men wearing types of skirts. The Greek war uniform for their war of independence, which ist still worn to this day for ceremonial purposes, is a fluffy white skirt with white tights.
Biology disagrees with you. Again, let's flip it around to prove how complicated actual biology is: Swyer's syndrome. We are talking about women, who look like women, who have vaginas, who are born this way and yet they have XY chromosomes. According to your understanding those people should be men, but caiming something like that is ludicrous.
Which is the reason why more and more people call sex bimodal instead of binary. Binary means there are only two choices, which gets increasingly silly when you have to exclude a variety of intersex conditions to make the definition work. In fact, there is not a single definition for sex that doesn't end up either excluding some cis people or that doesn't adequately cover everyone.
There might be a couple of terminally online folks on Twitter who might claim otherwise, but the vast majority of trans individuals know very well that they aren't changing their sex. They transition because their sex and gender don't align, that's the entire point.
I am pretty well versed in the topic, no worries lol
Do you know what the medical consensus is to deal with gender dysphoria? Transitioning. Maybe we should trust the experts instead of fearmongering politicians? Maybe we should trust the studies that show the benefits of transitioning?
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
Bullshit. We do not all know that. That's just a random assertion that you hoped no one would call out. I gave specific examples to illustrate the point. Sure, I could've chosen individuals who aren't in shape, but the point was that demanding trans men to use women's restrooms is insane and has already led to a trans man being assaulted for doing what he was advised to do.
Perfect, then stop obsessing over the trans community or the LGBTQ community in general and let them live their damn lives in peace.
Genuine question: How many times has that happened to you personally? Has it ever actually happened? How many trans individuals do you know?
Almost universally, every trans person I know personally, or of whom I've heard, no one screams at a person getting their pronouns wrong on accident. Usually it's a "hey, it's actually [insert pronouns]". The people who are screamed at are the ones who deliberately misgender someone to bully them.
And back with the strawmen. Do you actually believe this is a valid comparison? Trans people are regular human beings like you and me, they aren't squids or other animals. They just happen to have a gender identity that doesn't align with their bodies. There are myriads of differences between humans. Some are born with missing organs or limbs. Some twins are conjoined in various ways. Others suffer from teratoma, having teeth and hair growing in places they shouldn't, like your ears or the back of your throat. And some are born in the "wrong" body.
No, once you actually break it down you see quickly that your previous argument falls apart. It's okay to be ignorant on these matters, but don't extrapolate from that. Gender identity is something that is usually formed between the ages of 2 to 5 in humans and is something we are very passionate about, both cis and trans people. Go to a small boy and call him a girl, see how he'll react. You can say that it's in someone's mind, but that doesn't make it any less real to them.
Bold assertion. Do you have a source? Because this poll from 2019 shows that a little more than half are fine with gender neutral pronouns. This one from 2022 has them tied at 50:50. If you're talking about neopronouns in particular, they are a minority in the trans community and most people are using he, she and/or they. Fun fact: Singular they is older than singular you (which used to be thou instead). It was good enough for Shakespeare, so I think it's good enough for us.
As for things not going to change, that's a weirdly definitive statement. I'm sure there were people who were against the Civil Rights movement and were adamant that things wouldn't change. Or people who thought that women would never get voting rights.
No one said cis men aren't on average stronger that cis women. When talking about sports we are talking about trans women who have to have been on HRT for specified time frames and have to fulfill the necessary criteria. There's research that indicates that trans women have "no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport". There's been a recent study that indicates trans athletes actually being at a disadvantage in some key metrics compared to cis women. As I've said before, HRT is incredibly strong and introduces massive changes.
And as I already said, despite the fearmongering: There's no indication of trans women dominating in sports. In fact, often they are average or even on the lower end of competitions.
https://www.acsm.org/news-detail/20...is-of-sex-differences-in-athletic-performance
Why not? LGBTQ-related hate crimes have increased in the last few years. LGBTQ individuals are routinely harassed, bullied, attacked or even killed. For the crime of being themselves and wanting to live their lives. There are 11 other months in the year, is it really going to kill you to let marginalized communities have some semblence of acceptance?
No, it's not "anti-common sense". It's you being severely misinformed. Instead of being angy at the Pride movement I'd suggest you start diversifying your media diet, because they lie to you to keep you angry. November is veteran's month, May is National Military Appreciation Month. I think you should've known that if you feel that strongly about these matters. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, pride month is about the challenges the LGBTQ community is facing, not simply because of who they're attracted to. Instead of labeling everthing insanity you really ought to educate yourself and practice a bit of critical thinking. You'll quickly find that your positions are not grounded in common sense at all.
I already provided a fact check link in my previous comment. Did you read it? Also, because further down you are talking about untrustworthy websites: America First Policy Institution is literally a pro-Trump thinktank to promote his agenda and policies, so forgive me but I can't take that seriously. Again, time to diversify your sources and media consumption.
https://americafirstpolicy.com/issu...us-views-on-law-enforcement-and-public-safety
I mean, yeah, her career's done. But if you think she's the only politician who says whatever the voters would like to hear, then I'm afraid you're being deliberately obtuse. Trump routinely lies to his supporters, promises them things he won't be able to deliver on or even things that are the opposite of what he'll do. He promised to bring prices down, yet he also will implement tariffs which will in fact make everything more expensive. Either we condemn both of them, or neither of them. So, which is it?
Sorry, but that's pure cowardice. That was simply the first Google result. You can take any other article, the facts don't change. The content of the article doesn't change
Maher is no "icon" of the left. He's a centrist at best, but even then: This isn't the first time Trump has used violent imagery and rhetoric, but we are only supposed to blame the left? That's bullshit and you know it.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill...ippies-always-said_n_67262a04e4b00acf55d9ef30
None of them? Are you forgetting about something little called Roe v Wade? Pregnant women are dying because doctors refuse to abort dead fetuses that have gone septic, lest they lose their licenses. There are multiple horror stories that come out of places like Texas where this is the actual reality. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean Trump's actions aren't felt. He explicitly chose to withdraw from the Paris climate change agreement and his actions in the coming administration will push back climate efforts for literal decades. The October 7th attacks were directly influenced by actions of Trump, like withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal, or moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Also, he literally launched more drone strikes than Obama, let's not forget that inconvenient truth. He ordered the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, which was explicitly only given as an option because the generals thought no one would be so insane to do something like that and they thought he'd reconsider for something more reasonable. We can all be thankful that Iran chose to not escalate and retaliate.
Leftist has a specific meaning and none of the mainstream media are leftist. Many are left-leaning, but again: Two entirely different concepts. Also, Fox News is by far the largest media network and they are staunchly right wing (if not far right), so let's quit with the talking points and the strawmen and let's finally talk like adults.
Again, have you forgotten conservatives calling liberals groomers and pedophiles? I thought liberals were supposed to be snowflakes, not conservatives.
It literally isn't, considering that he has barely proposed any actual policy. He has given a lot of populist lies, but not actual policy. The few things he has proposed are going to lead to the exact opposite scenario, like the tariffs (please look up what tariffs are and what an effect they have). We've literally already seen stories today of some businesses starting to buy materials and hoarding them prior to January because shit is going to become much more expensive. I know you think I'm just lying, but I'm not. You can look at any economic expert and they'll all tell you the same thing. Reality and facts don't care about populist lies.
The Garlon
Nomad
No one cares about the trans stuff but conservatives. It's time to grow up and learn to live and let live. Everyone else in this country gets along. Conservatives are the problem.