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Certainly, you can draw that from about any group. But those are not the ones that ever get attention. If blacks are worried about blacks being killed, in general they need to work towards stopping blacks from killing one another. Same with whites, hispanics, asians, whatever.

My problem with this whole Martin thing is why are we making him special compared to anyone else who was killed. The same day the trial ended, there was a story where a black man in his 40s (I think) killed a 5 year old black girl and tossed her in the dumpster and that gets treated as business as usual, which is much more terrifying to me than Zimmerman killed Martin , but no one gives a shit about this 5 year old kid or any others that were killed in that way over the past year.

If people like Sharpton (scum) and Jackson (lesser degree of scum), etc want to be "leaders of the black community" they would be spending their time working on black on black crime. But I guess there is no money or no one to extort money from in those types of cases.
 
I dunno about racism but what I perceive as being the main problem is that minorities (amongst them blacks) are given the short end of the stick from before they're even born. What's the likelihood that a black baby will be born into poverty, a family plagued by health problems, a neighborhood dominated by gang violence? And the likelihood that this baby will get the chance to go to college and get a well-paid job and be able to move out into a better neighborhood? And compared to a white baby? There probably are some numbers on this somewhere. I find it hard to believe (read: I find it racist to conclude) that black people are somehow inherently more violent than whites as the articles quoted by bearfan and Travis would suggest.
 
I cannot argue with that, blacks generally start off at a lower starting point than whites. My supposition is that "black leaders" ala Sharpton and Jackson do more harm than good in easing that problem and that we have spent tons of money over the years to try to solve it with minimal effect ... so it is time to try something new.

The mess in Detroit is a good example, it is not just whites that fled the city, middle class blacks fled as well. No one of any race wants to live in places like that.
 
.. to add, I was never trying to suggest blacks are more violent. My point was most crimes against blacks are committed by other blacks. Just as LC correctly pointed out most crimes committed against whites are committed by whites.
 
This is odd

George Zimmerman, the man whose acquittal on murder and manslaughter charges in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin set off a wave of protests across the nation, helped rescue a family from an overturned SUV four days after the verdict, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement Monday.

The statement said that on Wednesday, at approximately 5:45 p.m. ET, the sheriff's office responded to a single car accident at an intersection in the Sanford, Fla., area not far from where Zimmerman, 29, shot Trayvon, 17, in February 2012. The statement said a blue Ford Explorer had run off the road and rolled over with a family of four inside.

When a deputy arrived at the scene, two men had already helped the family out of the SUV. One of the men was Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch coordinator in Sanford.

"Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after making contact with the deputy," the statement said. "There were no report of injuries."

A jury of six women acquitted Zimmerman, who pleaded self-defense, of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges July 13. That set off protests across the nation, highlighted by "Justice for Trayvon" rallies held Saturday in more than 100 cities.
 
Travis The Dragon said:
I don't like the stereotyping unless it's true. An example is violent crimes and minorities. Go here and you'll see what I mean. It might be considered a stereotype by some to say that minorities commit most of the violent crimes, but as you can see, it is in fact true. Then again, if it's fact and the truth, then it shouldn't be considered racist or stereotyping.
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Travis, we're not going to let you get away with posting a link to hate-filled propaganda like that. The website promotes views of race genetics including the fantasy of pseudo-scientific proof that intelligence is linked to race. Virtually every article on that site is devoted to racist theories and subliminal white supremacy messages.

Here's what I want from you: I want you to acknowledge that this site is racist hate propaganda; I want you to say, in your own words, why this site is racist hate propaganda; and I want you to apologise for posting the link and promise to never, ever link to such sites again, unless when you intend to acknowledge and expose the racist content. If you are not going to do any of the above, or ignore this post, we must consider you a troll and racist, and the content of your posts to be against the forum rules.
 
Travis ... the site is not blatant, but there are some iffy things on there (they have every right to do so), but Travis, I think you sometimes gloss over things and seem to believe about anything posted on the internet.

I'd really suggest you spend a month or so only reading mainstream sites ... politico, actual newspapers, etc. There is plenty to be upset about Obama, the US/state/local governments about ... you really do not need to go looking for it from questionable sources.
 
Travis The Dragon said:
I don't see anything hateful on that site.
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I'm not sure how to interpret this. Which of these options is the correct one?

Option 1: You can't read.

Option 2: You can read but you don't understand.

Option 3: You do understand but you willfully misunderstand.

Option 4: You truly believe what the website says and don't see anything wrong with it.

All I can say is that I hope it isn't option 4, for your sake.
 
Let me explain what happened. I Googled percentage of black people who commit violent crimes and that was one of the sites that showed up. I just thought it was a site that had some facts about that subject. I only read what was on the page I linked to and thought those were facts. I'm truly and honestly sorry that it's a racist site and I truly promise that was not my intention. And if it's all subliminal, how and I supposed to know what it's really about? And any future sites I link to will be only because I want to show facts about something. Not to be racist or troll on here. If I see a site and I don't think what is on it is racist, then I'm going to post a link to that site. It's not my fault if I don't see it as racist. Again, I am sorry for the site I did post even though I didn't know it was racist.
 
bearfan said:
I'd really suggest you spend a month or so only reading mainstream sites ... politico, actual newspapers, etc. There is plenty to be upset about Obama, the US/state/local governments about ... you really do not need to go looking for it from questionable sources.
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This.
 
bearfan said:
Travis ... the site is not blatant, but there are some iffy things on there (they have every right to do so), but Travis, I think you sometimes gloss over things and seem to believe about anything posted on the internet.

I'd really suggest you spend a month or so only reading mainstream sites ... politico, actual newspapers, etc. There is plenty to be upset about Obama, the US/state/local governments about ... you really do not need to go looking for it from questionable sources.
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This..but I'm really feeling deja vu. Didn't we have a discussion on websites to avoid and ones that are reliable?
 
I am pretty sure we have.

I think I suggested politico.com, thehill.com, news.google.com (they seem to do a decent job of filtering, but not always), and for a site with a slant, but it reasonable in being accurate, reason.com
 
Travis The Dragon said:
Let me explain what happened. I Googled percentage of black people who commit violent crimes and that was one of the sites that showed up.
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This is, unfortunately, implying that you already had a conclusion and then looked for facts to support it, rather than drawing a conclusion from the facts. A closed mind is a dangerous thing.

I only read what was on the page I linked to and thought those were facts.
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Just remember, everyone and anyone can have a website - I've got one (not that I use it) - so it's a very bad idea to assume all are factual, and certainly that all are objective. Ultimately if you aren't sure, don't say it!

It's not my fault if I don't see it as racist.
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Not to nitpick but... just who's fault is it? :huh:
 
This is, unfortunately, implying that you already had a conclusion and then looked for facts to support it, rather than drawing a conclusion from the facts. A closed mind is a dangerous thing
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In fairness, I think the discussion was around who committed what percentage of crimes, I think he was trying to look up a number to support a possible conclusion.
 
bearfan said:
In fairness, I think the discussion was around who committed what percentage of crimes, I think he was trying to look up a number to support a possible conclusion.
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My apologies if this is the case. My interpretation came from his only looking up the percentage of black people (rather than looking up general statistics), and that the topic before hand was more about general racist attitudes than any to do with crime rates. The information was presented as an example of stereotyping being accurate, which it isn't.
 
As much as I like being right, I hope you are correct on this. Reading back I may have come across overly harsh, I don't do serious discussion very often with good reason ;)
 
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