You're probably right, and there wouldn't have been ONE trial if it wasn't for public outcry. But it's still a problem endemic in the justice system.
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You're probably right, and there wouldn't have been ONE trial if it wasn't for public outcry. But it's still a problem endemic in the justice system.
bearfan
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There probably would not have been one (or there would have been one later) because there was not evidence to support the charges and the prosecution tried to shoe horn this in due to pressure from outside groups ... to the point where 1 person has been fired and another faces action for withholding evidence to the defense.
It seems some were determined that a) Zimmerman was guilty and b) were fine using any tactics possible despite the law and the evidence all of which is very troubling to me.
This whole thing was fucked up from the second the pressure started coming from above versus let these people do their jobs and go where the evidence and the law leads them
It seems some were determined that a) Zimmerman was guilty and b) were fine using any tactics possible despite the law and the evidence all of which is very troubling to me.
This whole thing was fucked up from the second the pressure started coming from above versus let these people do their jobs and go where the evidence and the law leads them
Dammit, I just accidentally closed my browser window.
Summary of what I was gonna say: it's fucked up that Zimmerman is not guilty, and I think there's a huge chance to discuss the role of race in the justice system here, but nobody will actually look at it.
Summary of what I was gonna say: it's fucked up that Zimmerman is not guilty, and I think there's a huge chance to discuss the role of race in the justice system here, but nobody will actually look at it.
I can't say I like Al Sharpton much, but he is right some of the time (broken clock analogy). I dunno, MSNBC gives shows to assholes that their viewers will watch - much like how Fox keeps Hannity employed.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Look at Al's history. He rose to fame with the Tawana Brawley case where a young black woman claimed to be kidnapped and raped by white men, including a cop ... and according to Sharpton an assistant DA. There were mass demonstrations and violence because of this. Turned out the story was 100% proven to be false. The Assistant DA won a libel case against Al, who refused to pay it (but later got donors to do it when he ran for President).
Then there was a white woman who was raped by 2 black men. Sharpton claimed it was the woman's boyfriend, brought 300 supporters to the courhouse to taunt the boyfriend and chant that the rape victim was a "whore"
Then there was the old Hasidic Jew who lost control of his car and killed a black child, and by all accounts felt horrible about it. Al drummed up a crown to protest outside a synagogue where chants of "Kill the Jews" came out and did serious damage to Black-Jewish relations, which were never good, but this made it much worse.
There is more out there, but these 3 things are how he made is name (and money)
He is a vile despicable racist who makes money as a race-baiter and thriving on controversy. He is no more or less than a black Julius Streicher. If he was white and did stuff like this, he would not be allowed within 100 miles of any kind of news station or TV show outside of maybe The Jerry Springer show.
Total asshole
Then there was a white woman who was raped by 2 black men. Sharpton claimed it was the woman's boyfriend, brought 300 supporters to the courhouse to taunt the boyfriend and chant that the rape victim was a "whore"
Then there was the old Hasidic Jew who lost control of his car and killed a black child, and by all accounts felt horrible about it. Al drummed up a crown to protest outside a synagogue where chants of "Kill the Jews" came out and did serious damage to Black-Jewish relations, which were never good, but this made it much worse.
There is more out there, but these 3 things are how he made is name (and money)
He is a vile despicable racist who makes money as a race-baiter and thriving on controversy. He is no more or less than a black Julius Streicher. If he was white and did stuff like this, he would not be allowed within 100 miles of any kind of news station or TV show outside of maybe The Jerry Springer show.
Total asshole
He's not a black Julius Streicher, and I'll thank you not to make such ridiculous comparisons again. Even with a history of anti-Semitism, he's not that. Sharpton isn't an expert propagandist, he isn't successful...and he doesn't write children's books.
On air, Hannity has incited racial hatred against the President of the United States...and recently against everyone black when he suggested there'd be race riots following the Zimmerman verdict (there weren't. There haven't been. Not even close). No, he wasn't involved in something like the Brawley case - but he does this stuff every night on TV. That's how he makes his money. I don't think either of them should be on the air.
On air, Hannity has incited racial hatred against the President of the United States...and recently against everyone black when he suggested there'd be race riots following the Zimmerman verdict (there weren't. There haven't been. Not even close). No, he wasn't involved in something like the Brawley case - but he does this stuff every night on TV. That's how he makes his money. I don't think either of them should be on the air.
Travis The Dragon
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bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I will stand by that comparison with the slight modifier of Streicher in 1929 and 1930.
Some great quotes from Al, the vile piece of crap ... I could find many many more, and even yet more if his "newsletters" ever get posted online. If he was white and replace cracker with the N word, and white for black in any of the statements he made, he would be an outcast in society and no even partially respectable news organization would give him the time of day.
I am not fan of Hannity or really about any news pundit, they say nutty things to pull in viewers and get ratings by out doing each other. But, Al was not a news pundit back then, this is what the man thinks.
Hell, in Europe he could face criminal charges (wrongly so IMO) for saying this stuff. The fact that he gets a pass is disgusting and Jessie Jackson is not really far behind him. They are race baiting attention whores who are allowed to extort people at enrich themselves at the expense of others. The fact that these people are called "leaders of the black community" should enrage anyone in that community.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Forgot this great moment in Al history
1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.
1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.
Travis The Dragon
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bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Looking at some comparisons between 1950 and 2010.
In 1950, Detroit was 83.6% white and 16.2% black.
In 1950, America was about 89% white and 9% black (I don't think Hispanics were counted then).
So Detroit was a little more "diverse" than the country as a whole.
In 2010, Detroit was 82.7% black and 10.6% white.
In 1950, there were 1.8 million people in Detroit, about 1.5 million whites and about 300,000 blacks.
In 2010, there were about 700,000 people, about 75,000 whites and about 575,000 blacks.
And from 1950 to 2010, the United States as a whole slightly more doubled in size (150 million to 309 million) and from 1950 to 2010, the number of black Detroiters slightly less than doubled in size.
So, from 1950 to 2010, the number of blacks in Detroit roughly mirrored the population growth of the nation as a whole. While the number of whites in Detroit decreased by almost 95%.
In 1950, Detroit was 83.6% white and 16.2% black.
In 1950, America was about 89% white and 9% black (I don't think Hispanics were counted then).
So Detroit was a little more "diverse" than the country as a whole.
In 2010, Detroit was 82.7% black and 10.6% white.
In 1950, there were 1.8 million people in Detroit, about 1.5 million whites and about 300,000 blacks.
In 2010, there were about 700,000 people, about 75,000 whites and about 575,000 blacks.
And from 1950 to 2010, the United States as a whole slightly more doubled in size (150 million to 309 million) and from 1950 to 2010, the number of black Detroiters slightly less than doubled in size.
So, from 1950 to 2010, the number of blacks in Detroit roughly mirrored the population growth of the nation as a whole. While the number of whites in Detroit decreased by almost 95%.
Travis The Dragon
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Wow, that's very interesting Bearfan. And I don't think it's just a coincidence either. I'd say more, but I'd probably be called racists even though I'd be speaking the absolute truth.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Well, losing 95% of any ethnicity, combined with the loss of overall population and those remaining making less money and property values declining kills the tax base. Add that to corrupt or inept leaders who decline to see this and keep spending at the same rate (and higher) is a recipe for disaster.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
More information on how the Democratic machine ran this city into the ground
Mr. Snyder said the city cannot meet obligations to its citizens or its creditors. He noted that citizens wait an average of 58 minutes for the police to respond to their calls, compared to a national average of 11 minutes. Only 8.7% of cases are solved, compared to a statewide average of 30.5%.
About 40% of the city's street lights were not functioning in the first quarter of the year, and only a third of its ambulances were in service. Its population has declined 63% from its peak and there are about 78,000 abandoned structures
Mr. Snyder said the city cannot meet obligations to its citizens or its creditors. He noted that citizens wait an average of 58 minutes for the police to respond to their calls, compared to a national average of 11 minutes. Only 8.7% of cases are solved, compared to a statewide average of 30.5%.
About 40% of the city's street lights were not functioning in the first quarter of the year, and only a third of its ambulances were in service. Its population has declined 63% from its peak and there are about 78,000 abandoned structures
Travis The Dragon
AFTERGLOW!!!
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Two Colorado State Senate members are up for recall election because of their gun control votes
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/pols-face-recall-over-gun-control-94454.html?hp=l2
I think this is kinda stupid (even though I agree that they voted against what their constituents wanted) ... they will be up for re-election. This recall trend over one issue votes seems to be picking up steam, which is a little mind boggling given the virtual complete failure despite tons of money thrown in by the unions in Wisconsin .... the only real successful issue one I can think of was California tossing Grey Davis
It is interesting that it is the two recalls in Colorado history. Re-call election is Sept 10
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/pols-face-recall-over-gun-control-94454.html?hp=l2
I think this is kinda stupid (even though I agree that they voted against what their constituents wanted) ... they will be up for re-election. This recall trend over one issue votes seems to be picking up steam, which is a little mind boggling given the virtual complete failure despite tons of money thrown in by the unions in Wisconsin .... the only real successful issue one I can think of was California tossing Grey Davis
It is interesting that it is the two recalls in Colorado history. Re-call election is Sept 10
