The J.R.R. Tolkien Topic (publications and adaptations)

CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
And what about all the other works he has carefully curated & brought to publication? Jesus man, have some respect for some of the stuff that you yourself have read & talked about e.g. Unfinished Tales. What's with the total lack of respect for CT here? And the idea that the core Middle-earth works are the sum total of Tolkien's creative & intellectual output (which is what this thread suggests) is not really conveying to me that people know or care that much about Tolkien. But we've covered all this before; the conflating of Jackson-Tolkien & author-Tolkien.
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I do not need to see an adaption per se done by Jackson. I have respect for what I have read.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
That's fine. We've discussed adaptation before though. You know what I feel about this.
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That was no discussion. You simply disregard it. Threw it off the table with one arm sweep.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
Are you referring to Tolkien or CT? (It's clear you're referring to me with "fanboy".)
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CT. You sort of referred to me as a fanboy as well, when you said "this is just fan babble". I happened to like that particular, simple but pretty clear babble, so yeah, I am probably a fanboy (of such matters, but definitely of the books as well). But I can also enjoy the action on the screen, without having the (more important) feelings for the books replaced.
CriedWhenBrucieLeft said:
Look forward? Why don't you enjoy the material Christopher Tolkien has brought to you & is bringing to you now, rather than "looking forward" to his death & the Tolkien Estate perhaps budging on selling film rights? Which is exactly what you're currently doing. You do see that? Also: any idea who's likely to control the Tolkien Estate in the future? Don't think selling film right is really a big focus to be honest.
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I am not so knowledgeable of and interested in the Tolkien Estate itself. I only hope that they are not that grumpy as CT himself.
I still don't know most The History of Middle-earth books, nor CT's last publication, Beren and Luthien, so yeah, I gotta give that to ya: let's not adapt that stuff before I do.
 
Forostar said:
That was no discussion. You simply disregard it. Threw it off the table with one arm sweep.
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I think you have a selective memory on this. We talked extensively about adaptation earlier in this thread. There was not "no discussion"...
Forostar said:
CT. You sort of referred to me as a fanboy as well, when you said "this is just fan babble". I happened to like that particular, simple but pretty clear babble, so yeah, I am probably a fanboy (of such matters, but definitely of the books as well).
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It's ill-informed; speculation. That's all I'm saying.
Forostar said:
But I can also enjoy the action on the screen, without having the (more important) feelings for the books replaced.
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Interesting choice of words, again.
Forostar said:
I am not so knowledgeable of and interested in the Tolkien Estate itself. I only hope that they are not that grumpy as CT himself.
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But you hope they sell the film rights to various works?
Forostar said:
I still don't know most The History of Middle-earth books, nor CT's last publication, Beren and Luthien, so yeah, I gotta give that to ya: let's not adapt that stuff before I do.
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Seriously, start reading other material by Tolkien; not just Middle-earth stuff.
 
Interesting news. The title says "series adaptation" which to me sounds like an episodic reboot of the films. Not interested in that... But something set in the LotR movie universe could have potential. There's no way a series would match that scale, though, unless it's going to have an unprecedented budget and approach.
 
What a turn of events Cried. You surely must have mixed feelings about this. You do not see a point in Tolkien adaptions but the Tolkien estate (for which you have the utter most respected) itself(!) is going for another one.

In a deal that is expected to dwarf any TV series to date the J.R.R. Tolkien estate has been shopping a possible series based on the late author’s The Lord of the Rings novels with a whopping price tag attached.

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Even if he would not have reacted at all, I'd posted the same (hard not to do with everything in mind he said in the past here).
 
Forostar said:
What a turn of events Cried. You surely must have mixed feelings about this. You do not see a point in Tolkien adaptions but the Tolkien estate (for which you have the utter most respected) itself(!) is going for another one.

In a deal that is expected to dwarf any TV series to date the J.R.R. Tolkien estate has been shopping a possible series based on the late author’s The Lord of the Rings novels with a whopping price tag attached.

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Can I politely suggest that this article is factually inaccurate. The Tolkien Estate doesn't hold the rights to LotRs & H, so that part of the article sounds like bullshit. I have no doubt the person who wrote that article has no clue who holds the rights either. So there is nothing new here, other than the news that someone wants to make a series.
 
Been delaying to comment here cause I wanted to make sure I got enough time to write a longer response. Of course, this is one of the better ways to never get a thing done, so here's an impromptu version instead. I first read The Hobbit in about 1979 or 1980, the Bulgarian translation for obvious reasons. I loved it, and re-read it don't know how many times. In the early 90s, Lord of the Rings was published in Bulgarian - a pretty awful translation, and lacking the appendices on top of it. Nevertheless, I cherished even this crippled version as probably the greatest book I'd ever read. A few years later, English books started to appear in Bulgarian bookshops and one of the first I was sure to get was Lord of the Rings. Needless to say, reading the original was another huge experience. I was already interested in European myths and Dark Ages history by that time, so I could appreciate the Anglo-Saxon parallels in Lord of the Rings, the Kalevala plot used in The Silmarillion, and, a few years later, thoroughly enjoy The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth, Finn and Hengest, and On Fairy-Stories, because they all related to subjects I was interested in. When the Lord of the Rings movies appeared, I had no great expectations because I had already learned that books are books, and films are films, and never the twain shall meet, to paraphrase another favourite English author, and I thought they frankly sucked. Majorly. Saw all three of them, appreciated the black metal imagery of orcs, and, as it always happens with films, tried to get rid of the characters faces imposed upon what I'd vaguely imagined for about two decades. When I found out there'd be a The Hobbit film, and not just one but three, I was pretty sure I was absolutely not interested in them at all. (Some years ago I came upon one of them on TV by chance, second one probably - about two minutes were enough to make me congratulate myself upon this wise decision).
So: I can totally understand @CriedWhenBrucieLeft 's feelings about the movies, the sadness of a man's personal beautiful dream being debased, profaned even. "A poet's dream clumsily dissected with crude tools" comes to mind. And yet, would I, if I could, forbid the making of these films - no, and not for the lame "Ah well if this makes someone find out Tolkien's books it's fine" thing (frankly, if one needs these to discover Tolkien they're beyond hope anyway) but because I truly believe in the live and let live attitude. To me, they're a travesty but if someone, anyone, could find something positive, and feel better for having seen them, they got a reason to exist.
If anyone got that far, thanks for your time.
 
I enjoy the movies though they are not my favourite movies nor do they come close to the impact the books made. I don't expect any adaption to come close. That's not possible with the best book ever written. Nor do I see adaptations as stains on the original. Why would they be?
 
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http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-amazon-1202613609/

A “Lord of the Rings” TV series is moving forward at Amazon with the streaming service giving the series a multi-season production commitment, Amazon announced Monday.

Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding “The Fellowship of the Ring.” The deal also includes a potential additional spin-off series. The series will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust, HarperCollins and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment.
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