The Israel-Palestine Conflict

____no5 said:
Very one sided view, exactly what Hilary Clinton would say. Actually I saw her somewhere blaming Palestinians that didn't take the deal then.
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As she should have — it was the best deal the Palestinians were ever going to get, and Arafat walked away from it.
 
Crystalization of my point:
You cannot create impression/visibility/reality that UNLAWFULNESS AND VIOLENCE PAYS OFF. All you will get is even MORE VIOLENCE.
Example:
In 2014 putin annexed Crimea. Ukraine was weak and could not prevent it. THE WEST DID NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO REVERSE IT, TO PUNISH russia and putin with his imperial dreams. The West was lazy, conformist and real politik about this annexation. And, surprise, look where we are NOW. COMPLACENCY AND APPEASEMENT politics created even more UNLAWFULNESS AND VIOLENCE. It's like Nature's law. Dictators and terrorists do not think in moral and ethic category. All they see is the Democracy/West is decadent and WEAK, we can do what we want. Let's invade yet another country, let's murder even more people, BECAUSE VIOLENCE PAYS OFF.
China may invade Taiwan, but China will surely invade Taiwan if the West will fail to help Ukraine.

That's why I see recognition of Palestine - in this moment in time - in a very unfavorable light.
 
Jer said:
I think @Azas has a point about context and optics here. Something as big as recognizing Palestine should be happening in response to a large concession from Hamas, rather than pity for the side effects of Hamas’s own horrendous actions. Though @GhostofCain is also right that this should have already happened long ago, likely as part of a peace agreement that was ultimately rejected by Arafat.
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I read that in Bill Clinton’s memoirs. He wrote that Arafat relatively shortly afterwards changed his mind, but by then the deal was off the table as the rejection caused distance between the PLO and the Israeli state. Iirc anyway, was 10 years ago I read it.
 
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Some good news, which bizarrely didn't make headlines in US major news outlets, or was even found-able the time I made this post.

The ICJ said Friday that Israel’s presence in the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful and called on it to end, and for settlement construction to stop immediately, issuing an unprecedented, sweeping condemnation of Israel’s rule over the lands it captured 57 years ago.

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Top UN court says Israel's presence in occupied Palestinian territories is illegal and should end

The top United Nations court says that Israel’s presence in the Palestinian occupied territories is “unlawful” and called on it to end and for settlement construction to stop immediately.
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The war criminal addressed lied to congress today. I didn't watch it as even looking at that murderous thug would make me ill but I'm glad to hear the event was heavily protested. I'm also happier that the VP chose not to attend.
 
Not sure how far in advance this was planned, but he probably picked the worst possible time to talk to the American congress.
 
Spaldy said:
The war criminal addressed lied to congress today. I didn't watch it as even looking at that murderous thug would make me ill but I'm glad to hear the event was heavily protested. I'm also happier that the VP chose not to attend.
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You didn't miss anything. Thank you America, Hamas are evil, our soldiers brave, thank you Biden, our goals your goals, pro-pal protesters are idiots, thank you America, Iran is the heart of evil, we fight on your behalf, thank you Biden thank you Trump, we need ammunition faster thank you Biden thank you Trump thank you America. Add thunderous applause after every 3 words :lol:.
 
The war criminal addressed lied to congress today. I didn't watch it as even looking at that murderous thug would make me ill but I'm glad to hear the event was heavily protested. I'm also happier that the VP chose not to atte
Shmoolikipod said:
You didn't miss anything. Thank you America, Hamas are evil, our soldiers brave, thank you Biden, our goals your goals, pro-pal protesters are idiots, thank you America, Iran is the heart of evil, we fight on your behalf, thank you Biden thank you Trump, we need ammunition faster thank you Biden thank you Trump thank you America. Add thunderous applause after every 3 words :lol:.
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This is another one of those things you belch out in ten seconds and it would take me ten minutes to explain. I'm not falling for that trap, educate yourself.
 
If you cannot get this, you should educate yourself I’m afraid. And what trap are you talking about… It’s pretty much straight fwd.
 
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