The Israel-Palestine conflict
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Host countries do not open embassies. That is the job of the country in question. Many countries that are recognized by Ireland, Norway, and Spain do not have embassies in those countries. Ireland, for example, recognizes 190+ countries but only has 67 embassies in Dublin. So no, it's not the next step.
This is also untrue. The PLO runs the West Bank, and is far more likely to be the governmental-type agency that does business with any western governments for that region.
You've leapt to a massive conclusion that isn't supported by evidence. Recognizing the existence of the Palestinian state doesn't mean you like or even support their government. The USA recognizes the existence of Russia.
Well, Ireland and terrorists? Not exactly unheard of. As for rape and murder, all states commit murder, all armies commit rape. That's not to say that Hamas's violence on Oct 7 is acceptable, but it is fair to say that the violence committed by Israel in response is beyond acceptable proportions. Killing 35,000 to avenge 1200 is beyond the pale for most people.
The fact that you are basing "leftists" on your idea of what should happen rather than the actual stated policies and sling it seemingly as an insult speaks volumes as well.
This is arguably the most uninformed post I've ever seen on this board, and that includes those by the guy who claimed we're controlled by Alpha Draconians.
____no5
Free Man
Wait there’s more: Starving 2,000,000 which somehow is even worse.
Azas
Endless Summer
This post was not intended to be without flaws and errors. I admitted myself that I do not know political situation in those three countries. Also I was not afraid to become easy target because of what I said in my post. First and foremost I wanted to convey my emotions regarding that decision. Citizens of respective countries will deal with consequences.
I consider myself a citizen of mostly centrist views. I hate far right and I hate far left.
My English is not good enough to delve in deep analysis (not that I am great analyst
) Too time consuming and tiring.
Nonetheless, I said what I said. Imo, it's a bad decision. Wrong timing etc. Hamas, as a terrorist organization must me destroyed. After that you can consider two state solution. Yes, I do not know how to prevent civilians from dying, it's war after all. But return to status quo with hamas still in picture will not solve the problem.
I consider myself a citizen of mostly centrist views. I hate far right and I hate far left.
My English is not good enough to delve in deep analysis (not that I am great analyst
) Too time consuming and tiring.Nonetheless, I said what I said. Imo, it's a bad decision. Wrong timing etc. Hamas, as a terrorist organization must me destroyed. After that you can consider two state solution. Yes, I do not know how to prevent civilians from dying, it's war after all. But return to status quo with hamas still in picture will not solve the problem.
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____no5
Free Man
Interesting screenshots. Last year Biden administration applauded ICC to issue warrant against Putin, now that it's about Netanyahu, it threatens sanctions!
In addition Khan of ICC was on record in Amanpour's CNN show that a senior leader angrily told him that "ICC is built for Africa and thugs like Putin"
Interesting to watch all interview. I also add Sanders view about ICC then and now, which unlike Biden Administration's, is consistent.
In addition Khan of ICC was on record in Amanpour's CNN show that a senior leader angrily told him that "ICC is built for Africa and thugs like Putin"
Interesting to watch all interview. I also add Sanders view about ICC then and now, which unlike Biden Administration's, is consistent.
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
Yep, the hypocrisy from the U.S. on this is appalling, but sadly not unexpected. If we’re not going to recognize the authority of the ICC, then we should be consistent about that across the board and not use them as a convenient political prop when they happen to do things we like to other people.
____no5
Free Man
ICC's Khan is clearly frightened by the bullying he received. But it's not only ICC. Everything seems unfair and double standard. Take Olympic Games. Belarusian athletes would not be allowed to participate with their country's flag but Israeli athletes will. Go figure.
The list is long, the World is taking notes and the West is getting discredited by those actions.
The list is long, the World is taking notes and the West is getting discredited by those actions.
She is saying 'from the river to the sea'. Idiots gonna idiot. I was right.
____no5
Free Man
ICJ orders Israel to stop immediately. I heard somewhere that the decision is binding but not according to this article apparently.
www.nytimes.com
World Court Orders Israel to Halt Its Military Offensive Into Rafah
The International Court of Justice has no means to enforce its order in the Gazan city, but the ruling added pressure on the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
“We will not take part in an event whose sponsor profits from facilitating a genocide.” Scowl, Speed, Zulu, Pest Control boycott Download festival due to sponsor Barclays investing in companies supplying weapons and military technology to Israel
Six bands withdraw from Download 2024 in solidarity with the Palestinian people
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
It is quite shocking, isn't it?
Azas
Endless Summer
As long as hamas is in the big picture, recognizing Palestine is not a great move, imo.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
Palestine should have been recognised decades ago. It is a fundamental part of trying to solve the conflict.
Azas
Endless Summer
I agree with that, but Palestine's recognition should be carried in a different manner. Now it looks like this. Hamas: We murdered/burned/raped/taken hostages of Israel citizens. Israel begins justified act of war to punish terrorists. Some European countries: we recognise Palestine. I see horrendous logical connection here. I understand that civilians are dying but who's using them as a shield? Yes, hamas. You cannot create a new country with old evil lurking in it. That's how I see it.
GhostofCain
Ancient Mariner
It looks like that to you, not to many of us here.
I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.
Azas
Endless Summer
Ok, then let's agree to disagree.
Jer
A window to the west, a blazing star above
I think @Azas has a point about context and optics here. Something as big as recognizing Palestine should be happening in response to a large concession from Hamas, rather than pity for the side effects of Hamas’s own horrendous actions. Though @GhostofCain is also right that this should have already happened long ago, likely as part of a peace agreement that was ultimately rejected by Arafat.