"The Book of Souls" - Official pre-release thread (CONTAINS ALBUM SPOILERS)

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It's funny because Maiden fans are all like super into everything the band has ever done, they know exactly when what single was released and when and before what album - they know the time line of Iron Maiden by heart. And then if you ask the members of Iron Maiden themselves they are like..."ehhh I think we wrote that song in 83, or was it 82...HM I'm not really sure" You know they don' get caught up in all of that, they don't care about it like we do..... They create the stuff, love it in the moment and then move on..... Like true artists.

Hahah, I noticed that before and I find it a bit weird, like, wondering if I would act like them if I was a part of a big heavy metal band. Bruce was giving a speech on Rock In Rio 2013 talking about their first Rock In Rio (1985) and then he said something like: "I think first time we did Rock In Rio was on..... the number of the beast tour...". And I was on the crowd like: Come on, BRUCE! It was 1985, world slavery tour.
 
Well you just moved from 1984 to 1992! You were talking about Aces High/Blade in your first post but OK - It is still an unfair comparison really IMO. I don't know if you've ever played music? Also, around the late 80s was when most of Maiden finally settled down with family and kids.

Overall, yes it is totally unfair to compare anything they did 20 years from now to what they do now..20 years?! Think about how much you've changed in 20 years?

I brought up Aces High/Blade as my motivation to play guitar which I've done for the last 25 or so years. And yes, 91-92 is when they stopped the really impressive guitar work and switched over to the chord ensemble we've heard since that time Janick joined.

80's bands have survived & still thrive playing their style without much change. Testament, Anthrax, Slayer, overkill, Exodus, etc.. I know all bands just mentioned are on the heavier side but, they never swayed musical styles much. Just an example of how a band can survive sticking to what they do best. You'll prolly say in that genre that's all they can do. But, that actually makes the point.

Maiden have always had such larger a fan base, bigger than any of those mentioned, maybe combined. They would certainly still be thriving had they not altered course.

I don't fault them for it. But, enough now. It's played out. It's a good album. Has some very strong material, some good & some bad. If this is where they will continue to go it's best to bow out. It would be a good way to go out.

80-88 is said to be glory days of classic maiden
90-98 is kind of maiden adrift
00-15 new style.

They've done this longer than the 2 other periods combined. If the old Maiden was worn out, how does this era not feel that way?
 
As they've gotten older, the pace of their music has eroded. Especially the guitar playing. And to me, it's at the point now where, anything slower than what they are doing, it's just not good enough. It's at the point now where another album would be just too slow & boring. For me. That's the progression of the music since reunion.

Too many songs on this album like TOAC, MOS & WTRRD are just simple chords being struck over & over or a chord played out & sustained while everything else keeps the song going. For that reason alone, those 3 songs I'm not happy with will never be played. Everyone talked about the riff on TOAC & I am asking myself what riff? That's not a riff at all! Makes me feel like I dl'd the wrong song!

First song I heard was Aces High & was instant love. Songs like that & Flash of the Blade are what made me start playing guitar. Fast, aggressive guitar riffs & licks.The harmonies are still there but, the speed & the licks have vanished with time.
You should listen to power metal, then. I know what you mean. Try out Helloween The Time of the Oath or Gamma Ray The Land of the Free. They contain songs similar to what Maiden did with AH, or FOTB on Powerslave. Just listen.to Rebellion In Dreamland song from Gamma Ray and you ll see it is on par with TROTAM.
 
Iron Maiden is in a paradox which is the result of having 16 albums. There is only so many notes in the pool to grab. They are at the point now where if they make another album like this, it will be a letdown for being too similar. On the flipside, if they go drastically different, it will be a letdown for not sounding like Maiden.

I really want this to be their last. Like many others, I have grown up on Maiden and stuck with them through the highs and lows. We also need to be realistic. Bruce cannot sing like he used to. Bless this man for delivering such a great performance but those high notes are all but done for him.

BoS is great. I love it. This is how I want them to go out.
I'm with you on that one. Maiden is still amazing but especially on 2014 leg of ME tour there was some age showing through Bruce's vocals and song tempos. For me Bruce's vocals peaked around 2005.
 
0's bands have survived & still thrive playing their style without much change. Testament, Anthrax, Slayer, overkill, Exodus, etc..

Slayer, last excellent album Seasons in the Abyss 1990

Testament had some absolutely ridiculous albums in the 90s...Demonic? That whole re-recording of their first albums "First Strike Still Deadly?" I mean - what a give in.

Anthrax after 1990 some absolutely shitty albums...attack of the Killer B'....Sound of White Noise :blueangel: Stomp?!

I love Overkill but even they had their lowpoints...WFO, Bloodletting....

Exodus - The Atrocity Exhibit is fucking shit as is Let There Be Blood !
 
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Depends who you want to compare too here.Contemporaries in the 80s soooo..Judas Priest? Maiden are ten times more energetic than Priest on stage...Maiden might look their age on stage but act like 30 year olds...Priest looks and feels like their age.



Well you just moved from 1984 to 1992! You were talking about Aces High/Blade in your first post but OK - It is still an unfair comparison really IMO. I don't know if you've ever played music? Also, around the late 80s was when most of Maiden finally settled down with family and kids.

Overall, yes it is totally unfair to compare anything they did 20 years from now to what they do now..20 years?! Think about how much you've changed in 20 years?
My comparison is that the stuff they're doing now ranks up there with the very best of what they did in the 80's.
Iron Maiden is in a paradox which is the result of having 16 albums. There is only so many notes in the pool to grab. They are at the point now where if they make another album like this, it will be a letdown for being too similar. On the flipside, if they go drastically different, it will be a letdown for not sounding like Maiden.

I really want this to be their last. Like many others, I have grown up on Maiden and stuck with them through the highs and lows. We also need to be realistic. Bruce cannot sing like he used to. Bless this man for delivering such a great performance but those high notes are all but done for him.

BoS is great. I love it. This is how I want them to go out.
NOOOOO! I want at least one more from them. :p And Bruce did say that he hopes it isn't the last so that's good to hear. And we don't know what they're capable of doing next. I wondered if they had reached their creative peak with TFF, but I was proven wrong with this amazing new album. And look at what Bruce is capable of with EOTC! He has a TON of creativity left in him!

And 4 days for those still waiting.
 
Part of the reason (aside from the disgusting screamo vocals) I can't get into today's metal is it seems every band is trying to outdo each other by being faster, louder and more brutal. Mile a minute power chords and super speed double bass shit is not music. There's no melody or even attempt at playing a melody. Hence, all the songs sound exactly the same and these bands will fade into oblivion in the coming years. On the other end of the spectrum, you have the Nightwish type bands from Europe who have the right idea of trying to write music that is pleasing to the ears, but it all sounds the same after awhile. Keyboards or piano with some classically trained chick singing and way too distorted guitars playing power chords underneath; maybe a boring, uninspired solo in the middle.

Iron Maiden occupy a totally unique part of the spectrum. This is something that few bands ever pull off. Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. What all these bands have in common is that, first, they're all legendary household names, but second and more importantly, they all have a unique, instantly recognizable sound. In Maiden's case, on the surface, it would seem Bruce is the reason. Nobody sounds like him. But I think it goes beyond that. All three guitarists, especially Dave, have a unique tone. Nobody drums like Nicko. And nobody plays bass quite like Steve. Combined, this sound transcends the actual music. Maiden could try their hands at a country western record and we'd still know it was them.

My point? Wanting an iconic band to never change the style of song they write is absurd. If Maiden never changed things up, we'd be listening to the 16th album by some forgettable punk-metal band. Wait... no we wouldn't. At least I wouldn't. Number of the Beast is not the be all, end all of metal music or Iron Maiden. It achieved fame due to overzealous religious fucktards protesting it. Now all the little kiddies listen to the title track or Run To The Hills out of rebellion. I love the album, don't get me wrong, but Maiden have produced far better, more melodic songs than anything on that album. Including Hallowed. And yes, melody is that important. It comes before speed or aggressiveness or riffs or anything. Empire of the Clouds is amazing because of its melodies. It doesn't need massive riffs to make it memorable. On the contrary, it would be weakened by too much guitar work. Bruce understands that as a singer and musician. If you don't, then you don't understand music. Melody, and to a lesser extent harmony, is everything. End of story.

I'm not an old timer. I'm 31 and found Maiden via Guns N Roses. Not knowing anything about Maiden, I bought the debut and was underwhelmed. Not wanting to give up on a band I saw people raving about on the internet, I bought Killers because it was the next in line and the cover kicks ass. I was blown away. So much better than anything GnR ever released (though I still love Appetite). And that's just the start of my journey. Some ten or eleven years later I'm still in love with this band and the epic, amazing music they produced and continue to produce.

We are witnessing the end of one of the greatest, most accomplished musical acts in the history of western civilization. Long after we are dead and buried, people will still be discussing Iron Maiden. A few might even enjoy the music as a novelty of 20th and 21st century culture. All those speedy, sound-alike bands you so crave will be as forgotten as each one of us on this forum. We should be fucking grateful we get to enjoy this ride along with six great guys. The car is running low on gas. Wisely, Maiden isn't flooring it to reach their destination. They're taking their time, coasting along as the road leads them where it may. If you wanna bail out, fine. Don't come crying when the car leaves you in the dust.
 
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I don't see why anyone would want Maiden to stop, just to "end on a high note". This is also one of their absolute best albums ever, so I don't see why the next one would be bad. Sure, Bruce can't sing like a God forever, but I don't mind him singing without the higher registry. They would still make it work and sound awesome.
And as far as I'm concerned, an album with only 1 good song would be better than nothing, because we would get more material to enjoy.
1 song could be good, the rest could be Nicko farting into a mic and screaming his classic *HEYYYYY* sounds, I wouldn't complain.
 
I don't see why anyone would want Maiden to stop, just to "end on a high note". This is also one of their absolute best albums ever, so I don't see why the next one would be bad. Sure, Bruce can't sing like a God forever, but I don't mind him singing without the higher registry. They would still make it work and sound awesome.
And as far as I'm concerned, an album with only 1 good song would be better than nothing, because we would get more material to enjoy.
1 song could be good, the rest could be Nicko farting into a mic and screaming his classic *HEYYYYY* sounds, I wouldn't complain.
Well, maybe Bruce don't have voice like years ago but he make ups for it with charisma and experiance.
 
I want to hear them doing what they do the best for as long as I can. I just don't want to push themselves too far and become a parody of the band they used to be (ahm... Kiss, GnR,... ahm). But with this album, they are still in form.
 
@Adrian's Revenge But we'll also have melodic bands with clean singers like Symphony X, Dream Theater, Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Stratovarius, Iced Earth and other similar bands. Those are some of "today's bands" that aren't trying to be brutal and fast.
Well, maybe Bruce don't have voice like years ago but he make ups for it with charisma and experiance.
I don't know what you're hearing, but I can't tell the difference between his voice today and years ago. It sounds the exact same and just as amazing to me.
 
Probably they were so drunk during this period that they still don't know when and where they were playing.

Ha, Well, do you remember all that happened in the summer of whatever 10-20 years ago? No ...neither do I, and neither do Maiden recording Somewhere in Time, working on songs for Seventh Son etc etc ...They just did it and moved on :p
 
Ha, Well, do you remember all that happened in the summer of whatever 10-20 years ago? No ...neither do I, and neither do Maiden recording Somewhere in Time, working on songs for Seventh Son etc etc ...They just did it and moved on :p
To be honest - yes, I remember. But I don't remember any name of my co-workers. :D

@Travis The Dragon I can hear everything and I prefer his voice now that in the 80's
 
@Adrian's Revenge But we'll also have melodic bands with clean singers like Symphony X, Dream Theater, Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Stratovarius, Iced Earth and other similar bands. Those are some of "today's bands" that aren't trying to be brutal and fast.

I don't know what you're hearing, but I can't tell the difference between his voice today and years ago. It sounds the exact same and just as amazing to me.

I also like his voice since 1997. IMHO it peaked with 2005 tour (amazing Remember Tomorrow and Die With Your Boots On performances).
The main difference in his voice since 2005 is I'm hearing is that he is losing a bit of the polish in his voice and is not as consistent live as he was in 2005, but not to like FOTD and NPFTD extend. Let's stop it here because it's a miracle that Bruce will sing for us next year and celebrate 40 years of Maiden (is it on christmas day this year).
 
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