Senjutsu - 3rd September 2021

Ruflux

Ancient Mariner
Yeah, I'll be honest, even my dad immediately recognized who did the outro solo in Darkest Hour. "That's Gers" was the exact quote when he first heard the track in the car. Even if we didn't have Shirley's tracking chart, there'd still be no question about it.
 

TheTalisman

Ancient Mariner
I think some people who doesn't play an instrument themselves might have difficulties in distinguishing different guitar styles and sounds overall. It's easier if you ear is trained a little bit.

This lead melody part in Hell on Earth is played by Dave though:


But a lot of people think it's played by Janick, propably because Steve always gave him such parts, that are following the lead vocals, in the past.
 
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DJMayes

Ancient Mariner
I think some people who doesn't play an instrument themselves might have difficulties in distinguishing different guitar styles and sounds overall. It's easier if you ear is trained a little bit.
Exactly this. I can't tell you who played any specific part in the entire discography unless I've read it somewhere here.
 

Ruflux

Ancient Mariner
I don't play the guitar. I know a fair bit of playing theory from just being curious but my ability to distinguish each of the three amigos comes solely from listening to them play a lot. Eventually you just sort of "get" how they sound and how they play intuitively. I wouldn't say my ears are perfect but like, Janick's soloing style for example is honestly nearly impossible to mistake to anyone else. His sound is very different too.
 

The_7th_one

Ancient Mariner
I think I have a postcard belongs to the Somewhere on Tour '87 in Japan with a giant Eddie as a Jedi fighting vs a Samurai with light sables destroying Tokyo city. I'm going to look for it.
Edit: I don't get it. I guess I've lost it :/
 
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Lucas Lourenco

Educated Fool
This lead melody part in Hell on Earth is played by Dave though:

I was thinking about this over the last week, as I'm recording a guitar cover for this song. I think the 3 of them play melody leads in this song. It's clear that the two guitars that play 2:46-3:00 are not the same that play from 3:01 on. Not sure if it's Smith/Gers (2:46-3:00) and Murray (3:01 onwards) or Smith/Murray (2:46-3:00) and Gers (3:01 onwards). I suspect it is the former. Interesting that Steve gave one solo and at least one melody lead for each in this song. It really looks like a career finale from different perspectives.
 

TheTalisman

Ancient Mariner
I was thinking about this over the last week, as I'm recording a guitar cover for this song. I think the 3 of them play melody leads in this song. It's clear that the two guitars that play 2:46-3:00 are not the same that play from 3:01 on. Not sure if it's Smith/Gers (2:46-3:00) and Murray (3:01 onwards) or Smith/Murray (2:46-3:00) and Gers (3:01 onwards). I suspect it is the former. Interesting that Steve gave one solo and at least one melody lead for each in this song. It really looks like a career finale from different perspectives.
It's Murray from 3:01, Gers doesn't slide like that, and doesn't use that much effects (very fat tone). Murray also plays the clean lead during the intro.
 

Poto

Ancient Mariner
And from 2:46 to 3:00 that's Smith/Gers or Smith/Murray ?
Without listening to the song, I am gonna guess it's Adrian and Janick. They have at least played a lot of lead with Dave doing rhythm on recent albums. And with Dave playing the part right after it makes sense if he plays rhythm there.
 

Lucas Lourenco

Educated Fool
And from 2:46 to 3:00 that's Smith/Gers or Smith/Murray ?
Smith plays the low octave and Gers the high one, as they usually do (e.g. TRATB ).

It's Murray from 3:01, Gers doesn't slide like that, and doesn't use that much effects (very fat tone). Murray also plays the clean lead during the intro.
There might be other changes in the lead throughout the song. For example, 6:25 it's Murray again?
 

TheTalisman

Ancient Mariner
There might be other changes in the lead throughout the song. For example, 6:25 it's Murray again?
That part sounds like Smith, because of the distinct vibrato style.

And regarding the lead during the intro in Hell on Earth, compare this one to Murray's clean parts in older songs - for example Brave New Word (he starts the song and is mixed in the centre) and The Nomad (the middle section is Dave on lead together with Jeff Bova on orchestration), and it's played in a very similar style to these. He hits the clean notes in a totally different way compared to how Gers plays. It's a just bit more smooth when Murray plays clean, hard to put into words.
@Kalata
 
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matic22

Ancient Mariner
Also Dave's tone is quite less invasive than Janick's. Maybe that's the reason why the lines under vocals in Hell On Earth don't seem as intrusive as elsewhere.
 
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