Russia invades Ukraine

[Yax]

Ukraine also had nukes. USA, along with other countries, asked them to give it to russia. If that's not looming betrayal, then I don't know what is.

Then I suppose you don't know what a betrayal is. In hindsight, Ukraine should have kept some of them, because the treaty isn't being respected. Yes, the world was indeed naive with what the collapse of the Soviet Empire would entail and it's quite obvious the hopes for a democratic Russia were shattered long before Ukraine was invaded. But the realities are that Russia has an enormous capacity that has in parts been unleashed on Ukraine, and the West have likely been too slow in their moving of Putin's red lines. But the reasoning for it isn't stupid, because the risk of nuclear weapons getting used or a nuclear war isn't null, they are the highest since the Cold War.

 

[Brigantium]

Given stunts like poisonings, shooting down airliners, rivals dying/falling out of windows/planes crashing, cutting undersea cables, and generally menacing neighbouring countries, I wouldn't really put anything past Putin or his followers.

He'd probably let one or two off then claim it was an accident or actually done by Ukraine. It's not only Ukraine that stands to be nuked either, anyone near him is right to be nervous.

I totally understand you're annoyed too little has been done for Ukraine, Azas, but nobody has the upper hand here.

 

[Azas]

I understand what you all trying to tell me. And I'm trying to convey this:
hypothetically, if Ukraine falls.. 3-5-10 years down the lane.
pootin/russia: I want Baltic states.
Baltic States: We told you so!
the West: That's unacceptable! We strongly condemn!
pootin: I have nukes, you know.
the West:
..
pootin/russia: I want Poland.
the West: We will fight!
pootin/russia: prepare nukes.
the West:
..
pootin/russia: I want East Germany
Germany: Scheiße!
..
pootin/russia: I want... Alaska!
USA: ?

The thing is, sooner or later you will have to stand up and do something meaningful/substantial. That's all.

 

[Brigantium]

Exactly. And being seen to launch a serious attack on Russian soil will give him much greater justification to attack.

The US is the least likely to be attacked because there's serious firepower there and probably a willingness to use it. Plus his mate Trump. Europe is not so safe, isn't united, and may not get backing from the US before too long.

Everyone is basically hoping he gets too old for this crap before too long or is toppled from power.