Russia invades Ukraine

I am 100% sure, the minute NATO would close the sky and blue helmets would enter Ukraine, war would be over.
There is little to support that hope. Most things point to the oppose. Granted, the Russians aren't interested in an all-out war with NATO, yet anyway, but do I think they would back down if directly challenged? Not much point to it, rather the contrary.
 
Yeah, I mean, I'll admit it's possible that Putin would back down if there was a full NATO intervention. I am skeptical. I think that at least there'd be a fight, possibly even an invasion of the Baltic States by the Russians. And it could get much, much worse, and that's not worth risking, even for Ukraine.

The whole point of NATO is to create collective security that ideally ensures the members can avoid a war with another member of the nuclear club. And it's worked so far by avoiding direct fights, because as bad and horrible as the Ukraine war is, it would be so much worse if one side decided to make it worse.


I can surely bet this: If Ukraine would not given up it's nuclear arsenal, USA would assist Ukraine like they do Israel. Sad but true.
I don't think that's true. I think Russia would be less likely to fight Ukraine, but the USA's pattern of protecting Israel isn't based on Israel's nuke/no nuke status.
 
Yeah, I mean, I'll admit it's possible that Putin would back down if there was a full NATO intervention. I am skeptical. I think that at least there'd be a fight, possibly even an invasion of the Baltic States by the Russians. And it could get much, much worse, and that's not worth risking, even for Ukraine.
I think it's the opposite. putin may invade Baltic States if the West will continue to half measure, continue to show weakness and impotence. If he will hear 'strong condemns' but will not see actions taken to strengthen Eastern NATO flank. That's how things work in real life. Mobs attack loners and weak. if putin will not be stopped in Ukraine, then situation will surely escalate even more.
 
I think it's the opposite. putin may invade Baltic States if the West will continue to half measure, continue to show weakness and impotence. If he will hear 'strong condemns' but will not see actions taken to strengthen Eastern NATO flank. That's how things work in real life. Mobs attack loners and weak. if putin will not be stopped in Ukraine, then situation will surely escalate even more.
I agree with this, but two things can be true at the same time. If NATO directly interfere militarily, that may trigger an all out conflict and baltic invasions, and as you say, weakness also invites it.

We don't have the military industry capabilities we need. There is a lot of talk and half-measures going on trying to increase production, but there needs to be an immediate and massive money-up-front investments for large stockpiles of munitions. We're acting like we should have ten years ago, but that's 10 years too late.
 
Yeah, I mean, I'll admit it's possible that Putin would back down if there was a full NATO intervention. I am skeptical. I think that at least there'd be a fight, possibly even an invasion of the Baltic States by the Russians. And it could get much, much worse, and that's not worth risking, even for Ukraine.

The whole point of NATO is to create collective security that ideally ensures the members can avoid a war with another member of the nuclear club. And it's worked so far by avoiding direct fights, because as bad and horrible as the Ukraine war is, it would be so much worse if one side decided to make it worse.
This is where I am mentally. What’s happening in Ukraine is disgusting. But what I’m terrified of most is another pitched Cuban Missile Crisis, only this time the line gets crossed. Putin might not be crazy or suicidal, but he’s also prideful and won’t be seen as weak. So the question is which of his character traits override the other: how much is he willing to risk to save his pride?
 
I think it's the opposite. putin may invade Baltic States if the West will continue to half measure, continue to show weakness and impotence. If he will hear 'strong condemns' but will not see actions taken to strengthen Eastern NATO flank. That's how things work in real life. Mobs attack loners and weak. if putin will not be stopped in Ukraine, then situation will surely escalate even more.
The Baltic States are Article 5 territory. As long as NATO is not at war with Russia, they're protected by the threat of NATO force. If NATO *initiates* a war with Russia, it guarantees, well, war, and that means that the threat of NATO force is realized. You're right in that if Putin gets what he wants he's going to bully people who aren't aligned but western friendly. That's why Sweden and Finland hastened to join NATO.
 
I mean, clearly, the Putin wing of the U.S. Republican Party needs to be fired. That would go a long way toward helping matters.
 
Absolutely. If there wasn't so many Republicans wetting themselves to suck up to Putin, Ukraine would be far better off.
 
I told this long ago. Bully must be kicked in the teeth. After that he will retreat.
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Also today is good day for Iranian people. Tehran butcher is history.
 
I agree about Sullivan, regarding Ukraine in my eyes he's totally incompetent. Ukraine should be able to strike russia's territory with US weapons. And... I would vote for Biden, not Trump but I increasingly see Biden's administration as very weak and indecisive. Regarding Ukraine's victory (you can't win in a totally defensive war), regarding Israel and shenanigans with Iran. Again, leftists want to avoid confrontation at any cost :)
 
GOP rep Mike McCaul requested hits inside Russian territory to which Blinken kind of agreed. I don't get it. This would be an escalation without precedent. Actually worse than that. Anyone who has been paying attention so far should know that Ukraine could not win this war by its own, no matter artillery, tanks, ATTACKMS, F16s, you name it. Russia has the numbers, period.
Only way to have some chances winning this war is NATO boots on the ground. Lots of boots.

US strategists should know this by now (I would argue they knew this all along, Obama knew it, they just put too much faith that sanctions would win the war). So since those hits inside Russia cannot change the course of war, it's not about escalation in my view. It's provocation. Provocation with what end goal exactly? Is there a plan at all? Any strategy other than let's escalate and we see what happens?

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Again, leftists want to avoid confrontation at any cost :)
I've seen you mention "leftists" quite a bit, but you are often misusing the term. Neither Biden nor the Democrats are anywhere close to being leftists. Liberals aren't leftists, nor are all people on the left. Leftists are a very specific thing. Being anticapitalist is a big part of it for example.
 
I've seen you mention "leftists" quite a bit, but you are often misusing the term. Neither Biden nor the Democrats are anywhere close to being leftists. Liberals aren't leftists, nor are all people on the left. Leftists are a very specific thing. Being anticapitalist is a big part of it for example.
I know that Biden is not leftist :) However, for example, New York democrats? policy towards immigrants I see as bad left wing politics. When they do not try to solve the problem per se (not trying to regulate numbers of immigrants, but give them money and living place in hotels) And again I am speaking here not knowing facts for sure but what I have heard with one ear. If it's true regarding immigrants in New York region, to me it's a bad example of governing. And remember I am not pro Trump.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I see many US universities governments and academics as left wing m*kers. Even marxists. They were indoctrinated with communism? or marxism? ideas long ago. And those ideas still thrive there.
 
I know that Biden is not leftist :) However, for example, New York democrats? policy towards immigrants I see as bad left wing politics. When they do not try to solve the problem per se (not trying to regulate numbers of immigrants, but give them money and living place in hotels) And again I am speaking here not knowing facts for sure but what I have heard with one ear. If it's true regarding immigrants in New York region, to me it's a bad example of governing. And remember I am not pro Trump.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I see many US universities governments and academics as left wing m*kers. Even marxists. They were indoctrinated with communism? or marxism? ideas long ago. And those ideas still thrive there.
I mean no offense by this but "And again I am speaking here not knowing facts for sure but what I have heard with one ear" is very evident. No, despite what you might've heard New York politicians are very far from being leftists. Again, words have meanings, not everyone on the left (hi, btw ;) ) are leftists.

And your point about "US universities governments and academics" just comes across as word salad. There are definitely well-educated academics who are left wing. There are probably also a good chunk who are socialists or even marxists or communists, but your mentioning of "indoctrinating" has no basis and betrays your bias.

I am a leftist. If you're interested in actually hearing some explanations and ideas for why people advocate for socialism, instead of basing your views on strawmen and misrepresented positions, feel free to send me a private message.
 
I am a leftist. If you're interested in actually hearing some explanations and ideas for why people advocate for socialism, instead of basing your views on strawmen and misrepresented positions, feel free to send me a private message.
I have no problem with you being on the left of the politics spectrum. You are not leftist to me. Socialdemokrat. I see countries of North Europe as example of good socialdemokratie. Sweden, Norway, Finland. Just one but. What's happening in Sweden regarding immigration is bad, imo (I will not delve in this topic) And that's leftism nonsense to me. Leftism is a far left to me.
 
I have no problem with you being on the left of the politics spectrum. You are not leftist to me. Socialdemokrat. I see countries of North Europe as example of good socialdemokratie. Sweden, Norway, Finland. Just one but. What's happening in Sweden regarding immigration is bad, imo (I will not delve in this topic) And that's leftism nonsense to me. Leftism is a far left to me.
You misunderstood. I am a leftist. I'm in favor of socialism. I am on the far left lol
 
You misunderstood. I am a leftist. I'm in favor of socialism. I am on the far left lol
Man... In this case you are a Satan a cursed one!!!! :D
I lived in USSR which preached moving to socialism. Believe me, nothing's good there. Empty store shelves... Queues even to get toilet paper. List goes on and on.
In this moment in time there's nothing better than democracy. I admit US capitalism may be too harsh for my tastes. US health insurance system is scary. But good old Europe is a golden mean to me. Germany, North Europe, central Europe. Our Baltic states are doing good! Europe is thriving.
Problem is some impotence towards immigration. I am not against it per se. But it must be much more regulated. No white man guilt and other leftism shit :)
Fuck political correctness, and zero tolerance for radical islam. If you live in Europe respect our laws. Woman is equal to man, so no face hiding black burkas, education for all etc. I find it pathetic when some countries hide facts that the most rape crimes is comitted by immigrants.. It's infuriating. You must solve the problem, not hide under the carpet.
I perfectly understand that I sound far right here. Which I am not. But I see why far right parties are becoming popular in Europe. Yes, it's because of impotent leftism.
I wish all people well. If you abide to law* I have no problem with you. If you preach about your god being the real one - GET OUT OF MY LABORATORY, you IDIOT!

*obviously not sharia law
 
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Man... In this case you are a Satan a cursed one!!!! :D
I lived in USSR which preached moving to socialism. Believe me, nothing's good there. Empty store shelves... Queues even to get toilet paper. List goes on and on.
In this moment in time there's nothing better than democracy. I admit US capitalism may be too harsh for my tastes. US health insurance system is scary. But good old Europe is a golden mean to me. Germany, North Europe, central Europe. Our Baltic states are doing good! Europe is thriving.
Problem is some impotence towards immigration. I am not against it per se. But it must be much more regulated. No white man guilt and other leftism shit :)
Fuck political correctness, and zero tolerance for radical islam. If you live in Europe respect our laws. Woman is equal to man, so no face hiding black burkas, education for all etc. I find it pathetic when some countries hide facts that the most rape crimes is comitted by immigrants.. It's infuriating. You must solve the problem, not hide under the carpet.
I perfectly understand that I sound far right here. Which I am not. But I see why far right parties are becoming popular in Europe. Yes, it's because of impotent leftism.
I wish all people well. If you abide to law* I have no problem with you. If you preach about your god being the real one - GET OUT OF MY LABORATORY, you IDIOT!

*obviously not sharia law
Well, there are obviously many issues with the USSR, but socialism itself is just an economic system. There's more than enough suffering and poverty under capitalism as well, just pointing to socialism as if that's solely responsible for consequences like that is naive.

Also, you once again blame "impotent leftism" when there is no leftism involved. Most of Europe has center left governments at best. In other words not a single one has leftism in charge in any meaningful way. You are shadowboxing with something that you've imagined instead of addressing the actual realities of what's happening.

You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of leftism and left-wing politics in general and are apparently basing your views on memes and strawmen that you've seen on social media. I don't want to derail this thread more than that, so if you want to have a discussion and ask things feel free to message me. I won't continue here.
 
Lets stop it here. My rant was to understand some of my views. Those are not based on memes. Again, I am writing this all in calm mode. My main thesis: I accept white, black, straight, gay, jewish, buddhist, muslim, and etc. people. Live and let live to others. Treat others the way you want to be treated. But I hate don't like stupid (example: queers for palestine) and bad people (example: putin's russia: yes russias people are complicit; nazis; hamas, etc.)

Oh, and I feel that old Europe is trapped somewhat in political correctness. Truth must be told. No hatred instigation but truth must be known.
Ok, stop.
 
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