bearfan
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It is actually pretty solid, planning on using it around the house.
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Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
I'm watching it tonight, so last night I wanted to watch 7 and 8. Netflix no longer has any star wars except for 7 and rebels. My go to pirate site? All EXCEPT 8. So I watched 7 and Solo instead. Solo was good. I don't get the hate. So the kid isn't Harrison Ford, so what. Glover was perfect as Lando. It was fun.
I thought it was OK, maybe my least favorite of the new trilogy (with Force Awakens being the best, I think that's the only movie that stands on its own the way the originals do).
I'll have to see it again, but the more I think about the movie the more there are plot elements that seem lazy or problematic. Most of the Palpatine stuff didn't do it for me. Rey being a Palpatine didn't really bother me, although I would've been fine with her just not being related to anybody.
Two specific moments that I found myself disappointed with both had to do with characters being killed by Rey. I thought things really got interesting when Rey hit the ship with force lightning, presumably killing Chewie inside. It would've added a lot of complexity to the character that seemed to have been forgotten when it turned out Chewie was alive. Similar thing with when Rey stabbed Kylo. I thought it was an excellent character death, especially with this split second moment where it seems like Kylo is redeemed. The audience never quite knows for sure and Rey has the guilt of killing someone she cared about in cold blood at a pivotal moment. Instead, he is easily healed back to life, doesn't really do anything for the rest of the movie that is narratively important, and has a less satisfying death at the end. It just seems like missed opportunity to me.
Overall the whole trilogy just seemed kinda clunky and disjointed. It was obvious that not only was none of this planned out ahead of time, but you can also tell that there is a multi billion dollar franchise at stake. There is a lot of fan service and lots of setups for future shows and movies, but telling a cohesive self contained story is less of a priority. Much like the Marvel Universe, which is disappointing.
I probably sound more negative than I mean to, I did enjoy the movie for the most part.The lightsaber fight between Rey and Kylo was excellent. We definitely got some of the best combat scenes in this trilogy.
Two specific moments that I found myself disappointed with both had to do with characters being killed by Rey. I thought things really got interesting when Rey hit the ship with force lightning, presumably killing Chewie inside. It would've added a lot of complexity to the character that seemed to have been forgotten when it turned out Chewie was alive. Similar thing with when Rey stabbed Kylo. I thought it was an excellent character death, especially with this split second moment where it seems like Kylo is redeemed. The audience never quite knows for sure and Rey has the guilt of killing someone she cared about in cold blood at a pivotal moment. Instead, he is easily healed back to life, doesn't really do anything for the rest of the movie that is narratively important, and has a less satisfying death at the end. It just seems like missed opportunity to me.
Overall the whole trilogy just seemed kinda clunky and disjointed. It was obvious that not only was none of this planned out ahead of time, but you can also tell that there is a multi billion dollar franchise at stake. There is a lot of fan service and lots of setups for future shows and movies, but telling a cohesive self contained story is less of a priority. Much like the Marvel Universe, which is disappointing.
I probably sound more negative than I mean to, I did enjoy the movie for the most part.The lightsaber fight between Rey and Kylo was excellent. We definitely got some of the best combat scenes in this trilogy.
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Black Bart
Ancient Mariner
I am just back from watching it for the first time. As an
, I found it particularly moving. 
I had seen Rogue One for the first time too a few days ago and I was disappointed because I saw it as a mere war film, lacking the magic, and let's be honest, the poetry of what makes Star Wars special. Well, first impressions are what they are.
adoptive parent to be, in the next few months
I had seen Rogue One for the first time too a few days ago and I was disappointed because I saw it as a mere war film, lacking the magic, and let's be honest, the poetry of what makes Star Wars special. Well, first impressions are what they are.
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Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
Yes. you are being too negative lol. I COMPLETELY disagree with you on Episode 7. After rewatching it, it's just a mess of a movie. It isn't self contained at all as it leaves you with a bunch of questions. Unlike Episode 4, 7 DID have sequels planned. NO ONE thought 4 was going to be a hit, once it was Lucas was like, "Well, we can keep going I guess." 7 was going to lead to 8 and 9 so they left a bunch of shit up in the air.
However, I COMPLETELY agree that this trilogy as a whole is a mess, clunky, disjointed, uneven in tone, characters, etc. With that said. THIS was the first movie since the original trilogy that FELT like a Star Wars movie from beginning to end. The first one from this trilogy to feel cohesive and most importantly, streamlined (as in no stupid, pointless casino scene.) I loved it. What I REALLY liked is that, too me at least, it makes watching all 9 worth it. Just like it's fun to take a day to watch TLotR trilogy (director's cut, obviously), thanks to this movie I won't mind taking a weekend to watch all nine.
I am just back from watching it for the first time. As a, I found it particularly moving.adoptive parent to be, in the next few months
I freaking loved that as well. Great touch. I went into it knowing NOTHING about it and I was surprised Abrams was back on the helm, not bad, not bad at all.
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
I agree about being disjointed as a trilogy. I think the lesson they can take for this is that one voice is needed to guide the direction of any future sets of movies they do like Lucas did. The prequels (which obviously had flaws) did feel like a set of movies ... as did the OT
Finally seen the new SW film. First impressions: some very nice scenes and the background to Rey isn't completely what I was expecting (or wouldn't have been if I hadn't accidentally read a spoiler-tagged post a week or two ago 
). I still haven't made my mind up. I thought it had less of the classic SW feel than the previous two films, but that might change next time I see it.
Something is niggling me a little about the conclusion of this particular storyline, though:
). I still haven't made my mind up. I thought it had less of the classic SW feel than the previous two films, but that might change next time I see it.Something is niggling me a little about the conclusion of this particular storyline, though:
Accepting that it leaves the door wide open for sequels, I felt that wiping out Palpatine and presumably the last of the Sith, while Rey survives, would leave a big imbalance in the Force. And Rey killing Palpatine (even if she had help from Kylo/Ben and was effectively representing every Jedi in history when she did it) would still mostly likely still be done out of fear and anger, and set her on a path to the dark side. I always liked the fact that Luke didn't strike down Palpatine or kill Vader in Episode VI, he threw away his saber and refused to kill out of anger, leaving it to Vader/Anakin to sort the problem out.
It would have made more sense either for Kylo/Ben to kill Palpatine, or better still, for Rey to have died in defeating Palpatine, leaving Ben as the only remnant of the Jedi v Sith saga, effectively representing both light and dark sides of the Force in one person. And the last remaining member of the Skywalker lineage.
I didn't have so much of a problem with Rey healing Kylo. She showed compassion for an enemy, which is a very Jedi thing to do, and had the strength to heal him. And all this not long after healing the vicious looking snake type creature in the tunnels of Pasaana. Presumably the Sith who died in the tunnels died because he failed to befriend the same creature, which just highlights the contrasts between the nature of Jedi and Sith.
I wasn't too sure about the whole idea of Palpatine surviving Episode VI to begin with. Too many movie franchises use similar 'oh but he didn't really die' plot twists to clumsily extend their own lives. It does make work, though, Snoke was a poor, nondescript villain, and Kylo Ren was clearly only the apprentice.
It would have made more sense either for Kylo/Ben to kill Palpatine, or better still, for Rey to have died in defeating Palpatine, leaving Ben as the only remnant of the Jedi v Sith saga, effectively representing both light and dark sides of the Force in one person. And the last remaining member of the Skywalker lineage.
I didn't have so much of a problem with Rey healing Kylo. She showed compassion for an enemy, which is a very Jedi thing to do, and had the strength to heal him. And all this not long after healing the vicious looking snake type creature in the tunnels of Pasaana. Presumably the Sith who died in the tunnels died because he failed to befriend the same creature, which just highlights the contrasts between the nature of Jedi and Sith.
I wasn't too sure about the whole idea of Palpatine surviving Episode VI to begin with. Too many movie franchises use similar 'oh but he didn't really die' plot twists to clumsily extend their own lives. It does make work, though, Snoke was a poor, nondescript villain, and Kylo Ren was clearly only the apprentice.
I strongly agree with most of this.Finally seen the new SW film. First impressions: some very nice scenes and the background to Rey isn't completely what I was expecting (or wouldn't have been if I hadn't accidentally read a spoiler-tagged post a week or two ago
Something is niggling me a little about the conclusion of this particular storyline, though:
Accepting that it leaves the door wide open for sequels, I felt that wiping out Palpatine and presumably the last of the Sith, while Rey survives, would leave a big imbalance in the Force. And Rey killing Palpatine (even if she had help from Kylo/Ben and was effectively representing every Jedi in history when she did it) would still mostly likely still be done out of fear and anger, and set her on a path to the dark side. I always liked the fact that Luke didn't strike down Palpatine or kill Vader in Episode VI, he threw away his saber and refused to kill out of anger, leaving it to Vader/Anakin to sort the problem out.
It would have made more sense either for Kylo/Ben to kill Palpatine, or better still, for Rey to have died in defeating Palpatine, leaving Ben as the only remnant of the Jedi v Sith saga, effectively representing both light and dark sides of the Force in one person. And the last remaining member of the Skywalker lineage.
I didn't have so much of a problem with Rey healing Kylo. She showed compassion for an enemy, which is a very Jedi thing to do, and had the strength to heal him. And all this not long after healing the vicious looking snake type creature in the tunnels of Pasaana. Presumably the Sith who died in the tunnels died because he failed to befriend the same creature, which just highlights the contrasts between the nature of Jedi and Sith.
I wasn't too sure about the whole idea of Palpatine surviving Episode VI to begin with. Too many movie franchises use similar 'oh but he didn't really die' plot twists to clumsily extend their own lives. It does make work, though, Snoke was a poor, nondescript villain, and Kylo Ren was clearly only the apprentice.
It seemed especially with the whole Kylo/Rey thing, they chose the least interesting and most safe outcome. It also felt like both of the previous two films were building toward something different.
I found it to be more enjoyable the second time. Getting past the plot silliness, there are some great scenes and character moments. And, of course, Babu Frik.
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them all being the third trilogy or everything apart from the original one?
Wogmidget
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Everything including the original
Phantom Menace - Long stretches of bloated nothingness interspersed with occasional quality content. CG is pretty good for 1999
Attack of the Clones - Had a decent premise, didn't work. McGregor's Obi-Wan gives it some flavour
Revenge of the Sith - Pacing issues, but massively endearing and endlessly quotable
Star Wars - Plot like a colander, but groundbreaking stuff for 1977 (compare it to contemporary Doctor Who effects-wise)
Empire Strikes Back - Everyone loves it
Return of the Jedi - Bit silly, but honestly I'd watch it just for that space battle
Force Awakens - Nice effects, some memorable events, suspiciously familiar plot
Last Jedi - Takes a massive, steaming dump on the OT while simultaneously borrowing the plot of ESB
Rise of Skywalker - Watchable, no burning criticisms, nothing particularly endearing (doesn't help that the Mandalorian and new Clone Wars have been stealing its thunder)
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Ah I see what you mean.
Finally seen the new SW film. First impressions: some very nice scenes and the background to Rey isn't completely what I was expecting (or wouldn't have been if I hadn't accidentally read a spoiler-tagged post a week or two ago
Something is niggling me a little about the conclusion of this particular storyline, though:
Accepting that it leaves the door wide open for sequels, I felt that wiping out Palpatine and presumably the last of the Sith, while Rey survives, would leave a big imbalance in the Force. And Rey killing Palpatine (even if she had help from Kylo/Ben and was effectively representing every Jedi in history when she did it) would still mostly likely still be done out of fear and anger, and set her on a path to the dark side. I always liked the fact that Luke didn't strike down Palpatine or kill Vader in Episode VI, he threw away his saber and refused to kill out of anger, leaving it to Vader/Anakin to sort the problem out.
It would have made more sense either for Kylo/Ben to kill Palpatine, or better still, for Rey to have died in defeating Palpatine, leaving Ben as the only remnant of the Jedi v Sith saga, effectively representing both light and dark sides of the Force in one person. And the last remaining member of the Skywalker lineage.
I didn't have so much of a problem with Rey healing Kylo. She showed compassion for an enemy, which is a very Jedi thing to do, and had the strength to heal him. And all this not long after healing the vicious looking snake type creature in the tunnels of Pasaana. Presumably the Sith who died in the tunnels died because he failed to befriend the same creature, which just highlights the contrasts between the nature of Jedi and Sith.
I wasn't too sure about the whole idea of Palpatine surviving Episode VI to begin with. Too many movie franchises use similar 'oh but he didn't really die' plot twists to clumsily extend their own lives. It does make work, though, Snoke was a poor, nondescript villain, and Kylo Ren was clearly only the apprentice.
Rey didn't kill Palpatine. Palpatine killed Palpatine, through his own use of power. Rey defended against it - which is the most Jedi thing one can do. I thought that moment, with Rey crossing the Skywalker lightsabers against her in defense, advancing to the point where the Emperor had no choice but to kill himself as he expended his unlimited power, was the most Jedi way his defeat could come. She didn't swing a lightsaber once.
I think that if the story had been set up the way JJ originally planned it, then we wouldn't have felt so shocked by the reveal of Palpatine as Rey's ancestor. It's very clear that the mirroring of the original trilogy was planned deliberately by JJ, and the reveal of Palpatine as her grandfather was supposed to be the climax of Episode VIII. Unfortunately, Rian Johnson didn't follow this plan.
I think that if the story had been set up the way JJ originally planned it, then we wouldn't have felt so shocked by the reveal of Palpatine as Rey's ancestor. It's very clear that the mirroring of the original trilogy was planned deliberately by JJ, and the reveal of Palpatine as her grandfather was supposed to be the climax of Episode VIII. Unfortunately, Rian Johnson didn't follow this plan.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Agree on that comment. In fact, the way of Palpatine's final destruction wasn't actually that surprising. His own destructive powers were turned against him once more. Going by the logic of the films, where first Luke and then Rey were in a situation where they could either strike down the emperor (and succumbing to the dark side in the process) or allowing him to kill them, the only alternative option was to deflect Palpatine's own weapon towards him.
I think the bringing back of Palpatine in the first place was somewhat random or far-fetched, but his demise wasn't.
I think the bringing back of Palpatine in the first place was somewhat random or far-fetched, but his demise wasn't.
I'm one of the rare people who really liked Phantom Menace, I thought they got all the old school SW elements in there and successfully expanded the view of the SW Universe without exposing so much that there was no mystique left. I had more problem with older Anakin being a whiny git and the second two films not doing justice to the gravity of the Vader plot. I liked Qui Gon lots as a character and would have been happy to see him in more movies. Not to mention wasting a truly menacing Sith character they could have done so much more with.
It's effectively 'by Rey's hand', I didn't feel it was purely defensive. Now what would have been a completely spectacular ending would have been for Palpatine to destroy the last of the Jedi only to find that doing so destroyed his own power, killing him. I felt too much like they were too scared of not leaving a happy Disney ending.