I saw it for the third time, still pretty awesome 
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CriedWhenBrucieLeft
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The big, big question for me now is:
Will the next film mirror Episode V? I very much like what they did with The Force Awakens, but once the novelty of parallels with the original trilogy has worn out, I think it could become very tired to stretch that out across two more films. Either they'll go a completely different way altogether in the next installment, I suspect, or they'll continue a little way with following a similar plot to the originals, but with a major twist.
Rey was a much better hero than I expected. And, at last - potentially a female Jedi central character ftw.
Rey was a much better hero than I expected. And, at last - potentially a female Jedi central character ftw.
DJ James
A coma stole my name.
The movie has been out for two weekends now. I think we can stop using spoiler tags.
If there's no opposition to this by tomorrow at noon my time (6 PM CET) we'll go ahead without spoilers.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
We'll see about that soon, LooseCannon.
Yes this is what I've been wondering too. I think they know better than to mirror the OT completely, but I'm ok with some connections here and there as long as it makes sense. Logically it should be less as the trilogy goes on, similar to how the prequels had more connections to the OT with each movie. Rae is obviously going on a similar Hero's Journey as Luke did, but she's a completely different character with different motivations and hopefully her arc will therefore be completely different. Also with the effort they put into distinguishing Kylo Ren from Vader, I hope his story is completely different as well. I don't think a redemption story would be a satisfying conclusion.
Mirroring A New Hope is a good way to get everything going, as it's a pretty basic story in the first place, but from here they can do something else. They don't have to do something super crazy or experimental, it'd be silly to expect that, but they can surely tell a different story from the OT.
Mirroring A New Hope is a good way to get everything going, as it's a pretty basic story in the first place, but from here they can do something else. They don't have to do something super crazy or experimental, it'd be silly to expect that, but they can surely tell a different story from the OT.
I've seen speculation Rey could be a Skywalker, with the ancestry reveal in the next movie to parallel Ep. V.
I'm hoping it's something much better than that.
I'm hoping it's something much better than that.
I don't mind if she's a Skywalker, it would make sense, but I hope they continue the trend of revealing information like this more naturally. Similar to how they revealed Kylo Ren is Han's son. Darth Vader being Luke's father is a complete twist that you wouldn't be able to predict without a total shot in the dark having just seen IV. There are already hints pointing to Rae being Luke's daughter and it wouldn't be surprised at all. It doesn't need a big reveal moment.
If it was up to me though, Rae wouldn't be related to Luke. Having one character related to the originals is enough IMO.
If it was up to me though, Rae wouldn't be related to Luke. Having one character related to the originals is enough IMO.
Maturin
Sköldpadda
Insightful piece on the relationship between Dooku & Vader in their respective trilogies.
https://pullingonthepushdoor.wordpr...unt-dookus-hidden-role-in-the-star-wars-saga/
https://pullingonthepushdoor.wordpr...unt-dookus-hidden-role-in-the-star-wars-saga/
Srogyy
Ancient Mariner
Not really, Kylo is around 10 years older. (Of course I mean the character, not actor.)
It's still possible she's Luke's. I guess I would be ok with that, but I would prefer if they came up with something less obvious...
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George Lucas has retracted his "white slavers" comment about Disney...
Looks to me like this was written by Disney PR. It appears Lucas included his balls in the sale of Lucasfilm.
Looks to me like this was written by Disney PR. It appears Lucas included his balls in the sale of Lucasfilm.
Not necessarily Disney PR, but definitely a lawyer and PR person somewhere. Considering George is flush $4.1B for Star Wars, he can afford some good ones.
He did have one fair point in that interview:
I can't believe I'm going to point to the Phantom Menace for having a quality that beats The Force Awakens, but Naboo and Coruscant are brilliantly designed planets. Removing the stigma of the prequels and the memories of the dull sequences that took place on these planets, they were new but still fit in with the planets from the OT. Same with the space ships, logic of having fighter ships on a peaceful planet aside, I love the sleek designs of the Naboo fighters. The Force Awakens didn't really have any of this. It wasn't nearly as inventive when it came to the world building aspect of Star Wars. Same ships with different designs and same planets with different names. Obviously I'm going to care more about interesting story, engaging action sequences, and actual characters but I hope this is something they get a bit more creative with going forward.
BTW, I listened to the TFA score today and I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. I was surprised at how easily I was able to visualize the scenes in my head as I listened after only two viewings. I was also surprised at how little it relied on the old themes. A pretty big chunk of it is brand new music, much more than it seems when watching the movie. It has that classic John Williams feel but it seems like he's trying some new things too, especially with some of the piano parts.
I can't believe I'm going to point to the Phantom Menace for having a quality that beats The Force Awakens, but Naboo and Coruscant are brilliantly designed planets. Removing the stigma of the prequels and the memories of the dull sequences that took place on these planets, they were new but still fit in with the planets from the OT. Same with the space ships, logic of having fighter ships on a peaceful planet aside, I love the sleek designs of the Naboo fighters. The Force Awakens didn't really have any of this. It wasn't nearly as inventive when it came to the world building aspect of Star Wars. Same ships with different designs and same planets with different names. Obviously I'm going to care more about interesting story, engaging action sequences, and actual characters but I hope this is something they get a bit more creative with going forward.
BTW, I listened to the TFA score today and I actually enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. I was surprised at how easily I was able to visualize the scenes in my head as I listened after only two viewings. I was also surprised at how little it relied on the old themes. A pretty big chunk of it is brand new music, much more than it seems when watching the movie. It has that classic John Williams feel but it seems like he's trying some new things too, especially with some of the piano parts.
Lucas himself went into this direction as the series evolved; I think the ships we saw in The Force Awakens are logical leaps forward compared to the ones we saw in Return of the Jedi, which were, themselves, logical leaps forward from the vessels we saw in Revenge of the Sith. The Naboo Starfighters were designed specifically to be different from anything we had ever seen, to give us the impression that Naboo was new - but also to give the long lasting impression that Naboo loses. Just like the Trade Federation loses. It's another tool that would have felt more significant in the hands of a better storyteller.
I will agree that Naboo was a lovely new world to explore visually, and conceptually it was wonderful. Coruscant was not exactly Lucas's idea (first being seen in much the same form in the novels) originally, but he did a good job bringing it to life, and making it feel real. The Phantom Menace is really a gorgeous looking movie in most scenes, with the exception of CGI Gungan City. Really, the conceptual work in all of the prequels was good. That wasn't the failings of the films at all.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
The worst thing about the ships in Star Wars is that some of them are depicted flying in a planetary atmosphere. There's no way that the Millenium Falcon or a Tie Fighter could fly in an atmosphere. They're not remotely aerodynamic!
