Norwegian terror attacks
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Re: Oslo Bombing
Like I said, I am prepared to be very wrong on the subject.
Like I said, I am prepared to be very wrong on the subject.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
Hell, according to eye witnesses more than 20 people may be killed or injured at Utøya - what on Earth is this? Heard that on the radio in my car on the way home. I hope that's just ramblings of a shocked witness.
PS: Police reports say 9-10 dead and hospital reports say they have received 8 seriously injured.
Hell, according to eye witnesses more than 20 people may be killed or injured at Utøya - what on Earth is this? Heard that on the radio in my car on the way home. I hope that's just ramblings of a shocked witness.
PS: Police reports say 9-10 dead and hospital reports say they have received 8 seriously injured.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Re: Oslo Bombing
The man arrested after a shooting at the camp in Utoeyais has ties to the bombing in Oslo, police say.
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The New York Times is reporting that the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, is claiming responsibilty for the bombing in Oslo.
".... A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed. It is not uncommon for terrorist groups to advance claims of responsibility for high-profile attacks, only to have the claims prove to be spurious.
Norway is a member of the NATO alliance and has a small fighting contingent in Afghanistan. It was one of several countries named by Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al Qaeda, as potential targets for attack. In 2006, Norwegian newspapers reprinted Danish cartoons that angered Muslims by lampooning Muhammad. Norway has also historically been a frequent participant in peacekeeping missions and a host for diplomatic talks, including the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestinians. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of the Norwegian Parliament.
Muslim leaders in Norway swiftly condemned the attacks. “This is our homeland, this is my homeland; I condemn these attacks and the Islamic Council of Norway condemns these attacks, whoever is behind them,” said Mehtab Afsar, secretary general of the Islamic Council of Norway. ...."
This is really like a horror film:
".... Witnesses on the island told Norwegian television that the man identified himself as a police officer when he entered the camp. “He said it was a routine check in connection with the terror attack in Oslo,” one witness told VG Nett, the Web site of a national newspaper. ...."
The man arrested after a shooting at the camp in Utoeyais has ties to the bombing in Oslo, police say.
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The New York Times is reporting that the terror group Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, is claiming responsibilty for the bombing in Oslo.
".... A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed. It is not uncommon for terrorist groups to advance claims of responsibility for high-profile attacks, only to have the claims prove to be spurious.
Norway is a member of the NATO alliance and has a small fighting contingent in Afghanistan. It was one of several countries named by Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al Qaeda, as potential targets for attack. In 2006, Norwegian newspapers reprinted Danish cartoons that angered Muslims by lampooning Muhammad. Norway has also historically been a frequent participant in peacekeeping missions and a host for diplomatic talks, including the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and the Palestinians. The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by a committee of the Norwegian Parliament.
Muslim leaders in Norway swiftly condemned the attacks. “This is our homeland, this is my homeland; I condemn these attacks and the Islamic Council of Norway condemns these attacks, whoever is behind them,” said Mehtab Afsar, secretary general of the Islamic Council of Norway. ...."
This is really like a horror film:
".... Witnesses on the island told Norwegian television that the man identified himself as a police officer when he entered the camp. “He said it was a routine check in connection with the terror attack in Oslo,” one witness told VG Nett, the Web site of a national newspaper. ...."
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
Other reports claim that this Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami stuff is bollocks. Regardless of this, the police have confirmed that there is significant reason to believe that the Utøya shooter is at least involved in the bombing.
So, it may be that Norway has got its own Timothy McVeigh ...
Other reports claim that this Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami stuff is bollocks. Regardless of this, the police have confirmed that there is significant reason to believe that the Utøya shooter is at least involved in the bombing.
So, it may be that Norway has got its own Timothy McVeigh ...
Re: Oslo Bombing
Yeah, we will see what they say next....
Yeah, we will see what they say next....
Re: Oslo Bombing
2145: The justice minister has just confirmed the suspect arrested today at the youth camp in Utoeya was Norwegian.
2145: The justice minister has just confirmed the suspect arrested today at the youth camp in Utoeya was Norwegian.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
As I said, something in the vein of McVeigh - at least if he is also involved in the bombing.
The last I'll mention about this before going to bed: Reportedly undetonated explosives have been found at Utøya after the shooting. This seems very well planned and prepared ... this is horrible. I hope that when I get up tomorrow the death toll has not risen significantly.
As I said, something in the vein of McVeigh - at least if he is also involved in the bombing.
The last I'll mention about this before going to bed: Reportedly undetonated explosives have been found at Utøya after the shooting. This seems very well planned and prepared ... this is horrible. I hope that when I get up tomorrow the death toll has not risen significantly.
Re: Oslo Bombing
It looks to be very close to McVeigh. The supposed bomber/murderer is said to be an ultra-nationalist with his own geofarming business.
It looks to be very close to McVeigh. The supposed bomber/murderer is said to be an ultra-nationalist with his own geofarming business.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
According to police, the death toll at Utøya is much higher than first reported ... as many as 80 may be dead ...what makes people do things like that? Gunning down dozens of young people in cold blood?
According to police, the death toll at Utøya is much higher than first reported ... as many as 80 may be dead ...what makes people do things like that? Gunning down dozens of young people in cold blood?
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Re: Oslo Bombing
Terrible.
I know it's kind of early but I already wonder how long it took to catch the gunman of Utøya.
From moment 1 (when it was known that something happened out there) til moment 2 (his arrest).
Maybe he hid himself and continued shooting after the police had already arrived on the island.
Terrible.
I know it's kind of early but I already wonder how long it took to catch the gunman of Utøya.
From moment 1 (when it was known that something happened out there) til moment 2 (his arrest).
Maybe he hid himself and continued shooting after the police had already arrived on the island.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
I suppose it took some time, since most of the police forces in the Oslo area were already in the city center after the bomb - including their special task forces. The police have not said how long it took them to arrest this man, but I would suppose half an hour.
I don't want to think about the details of this now. It is too hard. I know a guy who was at Utøya, but he's in safety.
A police spokesman just said 84 confirmed dead at Utøya and 7 dead in Oslo. They are now searching the waters around the island for more dead.
The police are now saying that they had to search for the shooter when they arrived at Utøya ... he was arrested by the special task force. They would not say whether he resisted or not.
It's even worse to think that it's one of "our own" who has done this. It would be easier to cope with the thought of it being some al-qaida-inspired people from abroad. Still, it is a relief to know that the killer has been taken alive and can be brought to justice. He will not have a great time in prison.
I suppose it took some time, since most of the police forces in the Oslo area were already in the city center after the bomb - including their special task forces. The police have not said how long it took them to arrest this man, but I would suppose half an hour.
I don't want to think about the details of this now. It is too hard. I know a guy who was at Utøya, but he's in safety.
A police spokesman just said 84 confirmed dead at Utøya and 7 dead in Oslo. They are now searching the waters around the island for more dead.
The police are now saying that they had to search for the shooter when they arrived at Utøya ... he was arrested by the special task force. They would not say whether he resisted or not.
It's even worse to think that it's one of "our own" who has done this. It would be easier to cope with the thought of it being some al-qaida-inspired people from abroad. Still, it is a relief to know that the killer has been taken alive and can be brought to justice. He will not have a great time in prison.
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Re: Oslo Bombing
The prime minister says that Norway should stay an "open society".
Especially the island case was hard to prevent:
Spree shooters always come up suddenly. It happened in the Netherlands a few months ago, in a shopping center, (with way less victims: 7). The guy who did it shouldn't have had a license, because he was mentally unstable.
So the only things that might help is being stricter with providing weapon licenses and have stronger airport and harbour control.
The prime minister says that Norway should stay an "open society".
Especially the island case was hard to prevent:
Spree shooters always come up suddenly. It happened in the Netherlands a few months ago, in a shopping center, (with way less victims: 7). The guy who did it shouldn't have had a license, because he was mentally unstable.
So the only things that might help is being stricter with providing weapon licenses and have stronger airport and harbour control.
Re: Oslo Bombing
I have a question. Why would they? Being from the U.S., I've never heard of our extremely tight security measures actually stopping a terrorist. Usually these new security measures are always put into effect after an incident like this. I guess my question is, does tightening security after every terrorist attack work?
I have a question. Why would they? Being from the U.S., I've never heard of our extremely tight security measures actually stopping a terrorist. Usually these new security measures are always put into effect after an incident like this. I guess my question is, does tightening security after every terrorist attack work?
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
I really appreciate how we have been an open society for so long. However, whether I like it or not, I think this will lead to tightening on many areas. First and foremost the security surrounding politicians. This may be a defining moment pretty much like the assassination of Sweden's prime minister Olof Palme in 1986.
I really appreciate how we have been an open society for so long. However, whether I like it or not, I think this will lead to tightening on many areas. First and foremost the security surrounding politicians. This may be a defining moment pretty much like the assassination of Sweden's prime minister Olof Palme in 1986.
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Re: Oslo Bombing
This incident is probably proof that Yoda was right. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.
This incident is probably proof that Yoda was right. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.
Albie
Keeping an open eye on the Weeping Angels.
Re: Oslo Bombing
When David Cameron first came to power, he tried to make himself seen as not making a fuss about security. He shunned police outriders and got a lot of flak for it. Not just for his safety, but the public as well. After reading what is coming out of Norway, politicians are so much more accessible than here.Eddies Wingman said: