Norwegian terror attacks

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Just saw Reuters say the same thing.

Eddies Wingman said:
I have no idea. Anyway, a car bomb outside the government quarters would be a bad idea if they were after him personally - his offices are high above street level.
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Not true. Structural damage would make it difficult to rescue anyone wounded up above, and the frag from the glass alone could be fatal. Car bombs are fucking terrifying.
 
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Now someone pointed out that simultaneous attacks like this are an Al Qaeda trademark. Come on, why don't they just bring in Nostradamus for the heck of it?
 
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IF Al Qaeda was behind this, I'd be interested to see how long it is in the planning stages for. The US is supposed to have a huge amount of intelligence from the Osama killing on their current ops.

Any asshole knows to co-ordinate their strikes, anyway.
 
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LooseCannon said:
Any asshole knows to co-ordinate their strikes, anyway.
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Probably, but you still at least need to be able to construct a car bomb that can detonate with a blast of that dimension. From what I gather, this Mullah Kraken or whatever has been under close observation from Norwegian authorities for some time. Could he gather the resources necessary for this just like that?
 
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Yes. Car bombs are easy to make, especially during the summer. Observation in Norway doesn't mean what it means in the USA, Canada, or the UK.

All you really need is some fertilizer and some other harmless components. That's how Timothy McVeigh did it in Oklahoma.
 
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Perun said:
Probably, but you still at least need to be able to construct a car bomb that can detonate with a blast of that dimension. From what I gather, this Mullah Kraken or whatever has been under close observation from Norwegian authorities for some time. Could he gather the resources necessary for this just like that?
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It wouldn't make sense if it was him. His threats were not directed at the current government. They were directed against Erna Solberg, leader of the Conservative party. He said that if she was responsible for sending him to Iraq and he was killed there, then she would also die, or something along that line.
 
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That guy literally just sounds like a whackjob. If this is Islamic terrorism, I think it's a different organization, or at least, a different person.
 
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I'm still putting my money on some leftist-anarchist-anti-globalisation thing. Either that, or something homegrown in Norway nobody expected.
 
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Yeah, I'm down with that. Anarchy feels about right to me on this one. Or possibly anti-oil crusaders. A group like Sea Shepard could have orchestrated an attack against the Oil building, which was also right there by the blast.
 
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Sea Sheppard? Come on.

I don't know why you two guys keep holding off the most obvious thing. We'll see...  
 
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LooseCannon said:
Oil building
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A heavy clue. Norway has a lot green knights can hate: The oil industry, fishing industry, whaling...

Maybe I'm a bit paranoid about leftists, but they have done quite a bit damage recently, with comparatively little effort. Also, government actions against them at least in Germany are quite successful, so they are fuming at the moment.

Forostar said:
the most obvious thing.
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Which is?
 
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Sea Shepard is a terrorist organization. Of course, they're not this sort of terrorism, I'm just giving examples.

Because "obvious" is incorrect. Most terrorism is domestic. Even in the modern era, Islamic terrorism is still the vast minority of terrorist acts that take place inside a western nation. Spain, for example, had one Islamic terrorism action, and about three dozen Basque actions, in the last 25 years. US domestically had 2 Islamic terrorism events and about 5 domestic events. (Edit: those events are 2001 Anthrax attacks, 1996 Oklahoma city, the airplane in the IRS building in Texas 2 years ago, Fort Hood, and the Unabomber.)

We just assume that Islamic terrorism is correct because that's what gets the headlines.
Even in the Netherlands, which has seen little terrorism, Islamic terrorism isn't quite correct. The murder of Van Gogh was Islamic in nature but not by an Islamic organization. The only other one was the assassination of Sir Richard Sykes by the IRA...not exactly Islamic.

Religious? Yes.
 
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Sea Shepherd have carried out a different type of terrorism here, by trying to sink whaling boats while they were in harbour. As I said, leftist/anarchist groups are content with throwing rocks at the police now and then. There are no groups in Norway of the kind that have committed attacks in Germany.

No, I think that this is either some Islamic extremist group, or some nationalist group that are against the presence of Muslims in Norway. In either case I would not be surprised if they are linked with similar groups in Sweden, which has a larger presence of both.
 
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I think a link to terrorism in Sweden is something that is possible. I will be interested in seeing what comes out of the investigation, of course.

I am fully prepared to be wrong, by the way. We simply have 0 evidence to do anything other than guess. But this doesn't feel like Al Qaeda or a Middle-East based cell to me.
 
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LooseCannon said:
I am fully prepared to be wrong, by the way. We simply have 0 evidence to do anything other than guess. But this doesn't feel like Al Qaeda or a Middle-East based cell to me.
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100% agreement.
 
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One of the big reasons I don't suspect Al Qaeda is the lack of casualties. This is a group that carefully times their attacks to maximize carnage. They would not pick a Friday afternoon, knowing that the buildings would be empty. They'd hit during the morning rush hour, when the streets are full of people.

Look at the Madrid and London bombings, hell, look at 9/11. Those were timed to be when emergency services would have the greatest difficulty reaching the affected areas. 2 victims dead? Al Qaeda is better than that.

No, this time seems carefully picked to minimize carnage while maximizing fear. That's not Al Qaeda's MO.
 
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With the absurd combination of a car bomb in central Oslo and a fake policeman going on a shooting spree, it doesn't really feel like any other terrorist act of recent years, so I'll leave all speculations for now, go home, have a beer and try to keep calm. At least I am quite certain that no one I know are hurt in the bombing or shooting.
 
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Sounds good, mate. We will find out as this unravels over the next couple days.

I hope it's over for now.
 
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