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Free Man
Pete Townshend said that I Can See for Miles was the rawest and heaviest song Who has ever written and so McCartney composed Helter Shelter as a kind of reply.
NO PRAYER FOR THE DYING - Your thoughts…
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Pete Townshend said that I Can See for Miles was the rawest and heaviest song Who has ever written and so McCartney composed Helter Shelter as a kind of reply.
Diesel 11
As you scream into the web of silence...
Here’s the Wikipedia blurb for simplicity’s sake (I’m at work right now):
If you want a better source I can look for one later.
CA Bryers
Ancient Mariner
Not only that, but had Birch (who wasn't a yes-man like Kevin Shirley seems to be) kept on producing for the band, he would have likely trimmed a lot of the fat off of pretty much all of the post-FotD albums. This is, of course, a hypothetical to say all the post-FotD albums, since he died a ways back.
It would be very interesting to see how many slow intros we'd have had on TXF, how many chorus repetitions we'd have had on The Angel and the Gambler and Don't Look to the Eyes of a Stranger, just how long Empire of the Clouds might've wound up being, and how many 7-minute+ songs might've turned ended up being 3-4 minute rockers.
Of course, the song length is something Steve might've pushed harder for, since he started moving the band in more of a proggy direction when Martin retired, so the question might be moot.
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
I think it's a production (mainly the drums sound) that hinders the material from being at least more effective. Better is hard to say. It has its charm ofc, but not ''quite like'' the debut. Riffs sound weak. TXF made a better use of a similar sound, despite some low volumes and decisions, imo.
Even Bruce's BTP album production feels ''better'', a 90's sounding album, which I can't really say about No Prayer. He doesn't like how the album sounds, but at the time he also thought it was a good idea. He even said (iirc) that a proper studio wouldn't improve the sound or the material...
Good points (Steve wasn't involved with No Prayer's production, but maybe had some input? Come to think of it, ME's production is not that far from it), but I think good producers are mainly about the sound. Some suggestions, sure, but we can't know about trimming some fat (well said about Steve @CA Bryers ) and Maiden are not a band to take some advice. Bruce maybe but Steve. And he admits that they're hard to work with in the studio.
I reckon if the Bruce and Adrian reunion hadn't happened we'd probably have gotten one more album at most and probably not even that depending on the Blaze situation.
Living through that time I loved these albums, Fear of the Dark especially, but in hindsight there's a real lack of spark there, especially with the production values.
They had a bit of an identity crisis for the entire 1990s but on the plus side it did make the 2000s feel incredibly special. 1999 to 2008 was absolutely spectacular.
me too. Definitely the 4 weakest Maiden albums (+ Final Frontier imo).
CA Bryers
Ancient Mariner
I know Steve was getting more hands on with production during Fear of the Dark (he mentioned that a few times in interviews for TXF that he'd been sort of co-producing with Martin in recent years). Since they'd started using Barnyard on his property with No Prayer, it's likely he was decently involved during that album's production as well.
I mention "trimming the fat" as it relates to a producer, because I remember a post-BNW interview with Roy Z, who was asked if he'd been asked to produce it (he said no), and what he'd have done with the album. His answer to that was he'd have tried to rein in the arrangements a bit to make the songs a little more to the point.
CA Bryers
Ancient Mariner
At the meeting where Blaze was fired, he asked if Bruce was coming back, and they said yes. Also according to Blaze, the decision had already been made that if it didn't work out with Bruce, they were moving on without Blaze regardless. So, there never would've been a third Blaze album (although he'd been writing during the break for the third album he'd thought they would work on next).
