Metallica
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The_7th_one
Ancient Mariner
Absolutely laziness. It must be very difficult to play Wrathchild or Sanctuary and including them in the setlist sometimes.
MrKnickerbocker
clap hands
I understand it for Bruce and maybe Nicko, but sorry, Maiden’s songs just aren’t that hard to play and if they really wanted to they could rotate songs. But they don’t want to, and I get that, but still.
Eddie620
Educated Fool
It would be awesome if they two night shows with different set lists like Metallica are doing. I would be down for a “Weekend With The Beast”
MrKnickerbocker
clap hands
I actually think it stems less from laziness and more from the demand for "set piece" moments during the live shows. If you change the songs, you can't have airplanes and flame throwers and cages and ropes and demons and blah blah blah built into the set.
____no5
Free Man
Yes this is what I said in the first place but then the jury decided other wise
One could say the main reason Maiden don’t change their setlists is pure laziness, given that there are many songs without props in their shows.
Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
Why does this always descend into a vs thread?
Metallica are the biggest band in the world. They can afford to record and release every show. They have more than triple the number of road crew which means they have a full rehearsal studio built backstage for each gig (which is also fully recordable, see video). This also allows them flexibility to change setlists at short notice, having a bigger team to adjust the stage show.
I don't believe the reason that Maiden don't film every show or change their set every show is due to pure laziness as alleged above. After all, they play as many if not more tours and shows than Metallica do and without the advantage of private jets for each member. Metallica, on this tour have the luxury of 5-6 days off between venues.
Sure, it'd be nice that Maiden shows were a bit more spontaneous but I appreciate that they spend weeks rehearsing the fuck out of their setlist and go out and play it perfectly each night.
They don't make anywhere near the amount of fuck-ups that Kirk or Lars do for that reason.
Metallica are the biggest band in the world. They can afford to record and release every show. They have more than triple the number of road crew which means they have a full rehearsal studio built backstage for each gig (which is also fully recordable, see video). This also allows them flexibility to change setlists at short notice, having a bigger team to adjust the stage show.
I don't believe the reason that Maiden don't film every show or change their set every show is due to pure laziness as alleged above. After all, they play as many if not more tours and shows than Metallica do and without the advantage of private jets for each member. Metallica, on this tour have the luxury of 5-6 days off between venues.
Sure, it'd be nice that Maiden shows were a bit more spontaneous but I appreciate that they spend weeks rehearsing the fuck out of their setlist and go out and play it perfectly each night.
They don't make anywhere near the amount of fuck-ups that Kirk or Lars do for that reason.
Iron Lurker
Apologist Maidentard
Didn't mean for it to start something that could become an us vs. them. I simply thought it would be cool if Maiden could switch up their setlists like Metallica knowing that they can't/don't. And I'm perfectly cool with that.
As far as being "lazy" with their setlists they've operated this way since the early 80's so I guess they've always been "lazy". Whatever
As far as being "lazy" with their setlists they've operated this way since the early 80's so I guess they've always been "lazy". Whatever
____no5
Free Man
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Just looking at that rehearsal room makes me realize how much better James looks nowadays out of rehab. He really didn't look good during that summer run in 2019.
____no5
Free Man
Guess I’m lucky then. Last summer was my first Maiden concert in 6+ years and the second in 14 and witnessed a major deviation from the script!
srfc
Ancient Mariner
As others have said, not on some of the albums. And also, it's not an issue as much for me on a lot of the classic albums where the arrangements are more varied in general, the running order is to suit vinyl so again giving a bit of dynamics, and even in general there's a bit more colour added than on recent albums like the melody in the chorus of Sad But True
gazda
Ancient Mariner
Just to be clear, nobody for me will be even close to Maiden, but I cant stand when sombody is trying to find excuse for their laziness towards fans in last decade.
They all proved that they can pleased fans in 00's with great tour sets, bunch of various releases. Now they are more focused on their side projects, beer and mobile game than Maiden. I can understand that money is there, but Steve is playing two sets this summer and Bruce is running around the world and performing differenet stuff on stage but they cant do some special TNOTB show for 40th birthday, oh c'mon...
They are on top, and they dont need to do anything they will sell tickets but as a fan I miss activity of 00's Maiden.
On the other hand, I did not like 00's Metallica, MTV Icon, St.Anger, Documentary but after Death Magentic I started to like them because of their amazing activity towards fan base.
They all proved that they can pleased fans in 00's with great tour sets, bunch of various releases. Now they are more focused on their side projects, beer and mobile game than Maiden. I can understand that money is there, but Steve is playing two sets this summer and Bruce is running around the world and performing differenet stuff on stage but they cant do some special TNOTB show for 40th birthday, oh c'mon...
They are on top, and they dont need to do anything they will sell tickets but as a fan I miss activity of 00's Maiden.
On the other hand, I did not like 00's Metallica, MTV Icon, St.Anger, Documentary but after Death Magentic I started to like them because of their amazing activity towards fan base.
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Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
They probably feel like they had to make amends after publicly suing their own fans over the Napster debacle.
Kalata
Out of the Silent Planet
They don't need (even) a bigger stage production, especially in terms of the show they want to put on. They probably also didn't change songs between some shows due to the backdrops being done months in advance. Maiden's shows are special! I understand you and I agree, but Maiden have never been such a band that changes setlists often (since the beginning), do special anniversaries releases/tours and other bouns stuff - although they have the fanbase and the artworks(!) for all this. I think it's not strange that their side projects are more interesting to them (and I don't have in mind Bruce's spoken tour). Sure, they can be called ''lazy'' since 2003, but their management is far from bad! That's not serious. And ''lazy'' is a bit over the top given the amount of tours, live releases and albums since the Reunion. Their theatrical shows (especially for the last 2 tours) are also a reason. I just want they would change a bit more/or more regularly some songs between legs of a tour. That's it. Live albums are a cool bonus, I want video concerts the most. Special stuff would be great only if they have enough bonus material from all eras, although I'm always up for new artworks with Eddie.
Maiden's career will never be repeated!
Maiden's career will never be repeated!
Anyway, sorry for the off-topic. What Metallica are doing with their video releases and setlists is great. No wonder they are one of the most successful bands. But... they should definitely play the (last 3) songs with the NWOBHM harmonies live.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
I thought you were talking about the (post album drop) music videos for the new album and was going to ask "What are you talking? They're predominantly shit?"
permanenteddie
Educated Fool
Its funny because MoP might have great songs but I simply can't listen to it because of the dry production (for lack of a better word). Even more funny, I think RtL's production is way better (which might sound ironic since its the same producer and done in the same studio!!).
When I want to listen to MoP (the song itself) I'd rather listen to the S&M version or any other live version than the studio one that sounds really powerless...
Spambot
Meme Lord
I can also agree with most of the comments here.
However, I think it's stronger than Hardwired. Or at least it seems after 2 or 3 listens. The songs are a bit of samey, but I think with a couple of more listens, some of them with grow more, some of them will fade out.
What I miss on last two records it "bite". I mean, if songs can slap they can bite, right?
Take for an example "All Nightmare Long". Now that songs bite. Now look at "Spit Out the Bone". It's aggressive but it sounds like it was written by AI, it's just missing that "oomph" factor. Same with a couple of songs here. They have the teeth but they don't bite.
Also, I've read this interview with James a couple of days prior the album release. It's a bit lengthy but definitely worth reading.
LINK
TBH, reading it made my expectation rose a bit higher. Bah.
However, I think it's stronger than Hardwired. Or at least it seems after 2 or 3 listens. The songs are a bit of samey, but I think with a couple of more listens, some of them with grow more, some of them will fade out.
What I miss on last two records it "bite". I mean, if songs can slap they can bite, right?
Take for an example "All Nightmare Long". Now that songs bite. Now look at "Spit Out the Bone". It's aggressive but it sounds like it was written by AI, it's just missing that "oomph" factor. Same with a couple of songs here. They have the teeth but they don't bite.
Also, I've read this interview with James a couple of days prior the album release. It's a bit lengthy but definitely worth reading.
LINK
TBH, reading it made my expectation rose a bit higher. Bah.