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I don't listen to Kanye but his music is quite respected. Him being a pompous douchebag is a whole other thing.
 
A few years ago someone in my class at uni went to the dentist a month too early. :lol:

And isn't this the second time you've done something like this? I seem to remember you had a visit to a mosque a couple of years ago that you went to on the wrong day.
 
Black Wizard said:
And isn't this the second time you've done something like this? I seem to remember you had a visit to a mosque a couple of years ago that you went to on the wrong day.
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I did. That was purely my mistake.

This time though, few days ago the professor said the class is next week then few days later uni website said it's this week. I chose to trust the website since their info was more recent, turns out it was wrong <_<
 
Black Wizard said:
A few years ago someone in my class at uni went to the dentist a month too early. :lol:

And isn't this the second time you've done something like this? I seem to remember you had a visit to a mosque a couple of years ago that you went to on the wrong day.
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A guy at work broke his leg twice (both times while playing football) with one year and one day between the two incidents. When he was admitted to the hospital the 2nd time they were puzzled as they thought he'd already been admitted the day before. Then they checked the year ...
 
Perun said:
Explain something to me:

Everybody seems to agree that Kanye West is a douche, a guy without talent or artistic significance.

Why does everybody talk about him then? Why is he a topic?
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Kanye West is talented AND significant. He happens to be a egocentric douchebag but he's a huge talent.

Actually the consensus on him is that he's talented. You might've gotten the wrong impression by people who don't like hiphop in the first place.
 
I don't hear that talent. Not in his singing at least. It's terribly off key. He blatantly uses autotune. Is that accepted? Fine, but I don't hear his talent.

I had a HUGE discussion with some family-in-law who live in New York, and who are HUGE fans of the man. They called me racist when I explained my personal reasons why I did not like him. Great. It has nothing to do with racism. The level of defending that man, it was shocking to me, and to my wife. Her own cousin said some really dumb and offending things. What I learned is that he means a lot to his fans. He represents a huge group of black street culture or however they call it. I don't get that aspect as well. He's rich, he doesn't work that hard. Easy living. He has a big mouth and indeed is a huge douchebag. Some people don't mind that, or even love it.

But when we get all that aside, the music stays. What's so talented about it?
 
Hm, thanks for the answers, everyone. I really guess it's the Trump phenomenon - somebody desperately wanting attention and people giving it to him in exchange for headlines.

The Flash said:
Actually the consensus on him is that he's talented. You might've gotten the wrong impression by people who don't like hiphop in the first place.
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I don't know. My impression stems from user comments all over the net. Now of course, I know better than to listen to what trolls say, but it did kind of strike me to see that I never saw anyone coming out in his defence. The same way I have the impression that everybody has a deep-down hatred for Creed, which makes me wonder how they got this big in the first place.

I would like to add that I never knowingly heard a song by West or Creed, so I literally don't know what people are talking about.
 
I have heard several songs. Some took incredible patience, it was dreadfully bad. Others I could tolerate more, but I saw nothing significant or talented in it. There is a lot of music I dislike and I can still appreciate its significance or talent. Haven't found that yet in West's music.
 
Forostar said:
I had a HUGE discussion with some family-in-law who live in New York, and who are HUGE fans of the man. They called me racist when I explained my personal reasons why I did not like him. Great. It has nothing to do with racism. The level of defending that man, it was shocking to me, and to my wife. Her own cousin said some really dumb and offending things. What I learned is that he means a lot to his fans. He represents a huge group of black street culture or however they call it. I don't get that aspect as well. He's rich, he doesn't work that hard. Easy living. He has a big mouth and indeed is a huge douchebag. Some people don't mind that, or even love it.
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So he's not just a musician, but a brand - and brands seem to have attained quasi-religious status in our society. Just think of how many people mindlessly buy whatever iShit Apple sells. We seem to be losing middle ground here, and it's becoming a love or hate affair. I can observe it with myself: I hate Apple. As in, I don't just give their products a pass and shake my head at the prices they demand for their products. I literally, actively hate the company. And I look for reasons to hate them. Not that I have to look very hard - they're serving them to me on a silver plate adorned with a glowing white apple symbol. For those who wonder, it's not about their lifestyle brand or the prices they charge, but the way they take people's personal freedom away and people keep cheering for them. They do everything that iDiots accused Bill Gates of doing in the nineties and way, way more, but for some reason, nobody seems to mind. Sometimes I'm shocked at how much I hate them.

I was intending to go somewhere with this rant, but I forgot where. Sorry. -_-
 
Perun said:
I don't know. My impression stems from user comments all over the net. Now of course, I know better than to listen to what trolls say, but it did kind of strike me to see that I never saw anyone coming out in his defence.
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You'll find the number of defenders are overwhelmingly superior in passionate hiphop cycles and among hiphop critiques. Kanye's first couple of records were considered landmarks in the genre. Grammy's are far from the greatest validation of quality music but you have to admit that they're valuable in the pop scene. The guy has 21 Grammys, that speaks volumes about his impact. Three of his albums made the Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time list. Not an artist that doesn't command respect by any means.

Forostar said:
I don't hear that talent. Not in his singing at least. It's terribly off key. He blatantly uses autotune. Is that accepted? Fine, but I don't hear his talent.
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He's a rapper and producer. Not a singer.

Forostar said:
I have heard several songs. Some took incredible patience, it was dreadfully bad. Others I could tolerate more, but I saw nothing significant or talented in it. There is a lot of music I dislike and I can still appreciate its significance or talent. Haven't found that yet in West's music.
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Your bashing of the artist holds very little validity over a discussion of his talent and impact when you've openly made remarks of a personal disdain for hiphop before. To give an insight about your recent argument that suggested hiphop artists couldn't do things on their own and needed help (which is wrong anyway) Kanye is actually one of the few hiphop artists that always did things "on his own". He rose to prominence as a producer. Producer in hiphop meaning the "one who created the beat aka the instrumental track". To call him talentless? Phew.

As for my personal opinion of Kanye, I don't care for his lyricism but he had great instrumentals in his first couple of records. I like him better as a producer than an MC. I actually really like his first really polarizing album, 808s & Heartbreak, which was an electropop album and not a hiphop one. Featured some very good songwriting, which made the autotuned singing tolerable.
 
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The Flash said:
You'll find the number of defenders are overwhelmingly superior in passionate hiphop cycles and among hiphop critiques. Kanye's first couple of records were considered landmarks in the genre. Grammy's are far from the greatest validation of quality music but you have to admit that they're valuable in the pop scene. The guy has 21 Grammys, that speaks volumes about his impact. Three of his albums made the Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time list. Not an artist that doesn't command respect by any means.



He's a rapper and producer. Not a singer.



Your bashing of the artist holds very little validity over a discussion of his talent and impact when you've openly made remarks of a personal disdain for hiphop before. To give an insight about your recent argument that suggested hiphop artists couldn't do things on their own and needed help (which is wrong anyway) Kanye is actually one of the few hiphop artists that always did things "on his own". He rose to prominence as a producer. Producer in hiphop meaning the "one who created the beat aka the instrumental track". To call him talentless? Phew.

As for my personal opinion of Kanye, I don't care for his lyricism but he had great instrumentals in his first couple of records. I like him better as a producer than an MC. I actually really like his first really polarizing album, 808s & Heartbreak, which was an electropop album and not a hiphop one. Featured some very good songwriting, which made the autotuned singing tolerable.
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The best part of Kanye's albums is ironically the guest artists, famously Nicki Minaj who is a terrible singer with terrible songs is absolutly killer on Monster.
although i think people will just praise anything he does now because he's a "genius" Yeezus was a bad album but everyone loved it and Life of Pablo is good but nothing special. Dismissing his work is silly though because it's important in the genre and most of it is very good. that being said Kanye is Dead, Long Live Kendrick!
 
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