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Helloween's Eagle Fly Free is a great song! 
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Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
NightProwler666 said:
OK song, Good Spanish too, barely noticeable accent. I'm impressed.
Here's BG's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIfjIjHMqRY
portermoresby
Trooper
Eddies Wingman said:
Not that I know of, but knowing my friend and a couple other guys I know, it's likely.
I think at the time Bruce's biggest fanbase was spanish speaking.Eddies Wingman said:Hmm. Impressive by Bruce, then. But I wonder what made him actually make a Spanish version of the song? And when I checked it out, I was a bit disappointed there was no classical Spanish-style guitar playing in that version
Bloody hell, is the only difference between our languages that hot potato you have in your mouth while talking?
Dr. Eddies Wingman
Brighter than thousand_suns
Forostar said:
I'll let you know if I'm going anywhere in the Netherlands outside Schiphol
portermoresby said:
I may be projecting - I've had my fair share of more absurd discussions over a beer or eight.
The Knife Master said:
You're probably right. He had a huge fanbase in South America - I guess that's the reason why he decided to record his live album in Brazil.
portermoresby
Trooper
Eddies Wingman said:I'll let you know if I'm going anywhere in the Netherlands outside Schiphol
I may be projecting - I've had my fair share of more absurd discussions over a beer or eight.
Schiphol airport is full of both happy and sad memories for me. My trips to Amsterdam have been very funny and relaxing. I went there in 2009 to meet a girl from Seattle and it was unbelievable. I couldn't believe I had a full week to speak English only. That was gold. And I like the Dutch, or at least those I met in bars, restaurants and just about anywhere else. Things were even crazier in 2008 with my friends, you can imagine
And in 2010 I went back there again with only one friend of mine. Now I'm planning yet another trip there for this next October, with a few friends I'm not gonna see for a long time, so I really hope everything goes well.Back when I still drank alcohol, I had some conversations like those you mention. I really like the feeling of having a few beers in you, being flat out drunk is terrible. You feel like the ceiling of a bombed church, to quote Jim Carroll. Now it's been a while since I last had a beer. I think I'm happier this way.
Has anyone read the "aliens vs cowboys" graphic novel?
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
No, but here's my take on it. They can't do "Cowboys vs. Indians" anymore because they'd come off as insensitive racists. They can't do, Cowboys vs. Illegal Aliens" because you can't have a hit with sole support from the right. AND they come off as insensitive racists. So, they reached a compromise and said, "What is something NO ONE has an issue Cowboys kicking the living shit out of?" "um... the current fable of people from other planets, rather than other races and countries?" "Exactly!" "I smell a SAG award... ooooooh yeeeaaaah"
Oooooooh yeaaaah. 
Okay, here's my opinion:
About your power metal definition: it's good, but I think that you're only referring to European power metal.
IMO there are 3 sub-genres of power metal:
-US Power Metal (bands do not have to be from USA to play US Power Metal, but they mostly are)
Bands that played fast and melodic dark thrash/heavy metal with clean high-pitched vocals in Dickinson/Halford style. First bands that come to my mind are Jag Panzer, Helstar, Angel Dust (although they are from Germany; 2nd album), Iced Earth (first 2-3 albums), Manowar, Megadeth (some songs), Anthrax (albums with Neil Turbin), Agent Steel, Crimson Glory (first 2 albums) etc. Judas Priest's Painkiller could also be counted as a US Power Metal album, although Judas Priest are from England.
-European Power Metal is mostly happy, melodic, more anthemic than US Power Metal, features fantasy cheesy lyrics and more prominent keyboards. Bands: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Masterplan, Edguy, Avantasia, Sabaton, DragonForce, Nightwish etc.
The third group features bands that combine power metal with other genres, like Children Of The Bodom (with melodic death metal), Ensiferum (with melodic death/folk metal), Kiuas (lots of other genres), Symphony X (with progressive metal) and lots of other bands.
I also consider that some Iron Maiden songs are power metal, especially the ones from Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son - songs like Caught Somewhere In Time, The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner, Moonchild, Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...
I think that this is a good definition, but I can't say "THRASH METAL IS COLD" because every band is different. Both Metallica and Megadeth play thrash metal, but IMO Metallica is cold, and Megadeth is warm. Both Stratovarius and Blind Guardian play power metal, but Stratovarius is cold and Blind Guardian is warm.Forostar said:
About your power metal definition: it's good, but I think that you're only referring to European power metal.
IMO there are 3 sub-genres of power metal:
-US Power Metal (bands do not have to be from USA to play US Power Metal, but they mostly are)
Bands that played fast and melodic dark thrash/heavy metal with clean high-pitched vocals in Dickinson/Halford style. First bands that come to my mind are Jag Panzer, Helstar, Angel Dust (although they are from Germany; 2nd album), Iced Earth (first 2-3 albums), Manowar, Megadeth (some songs), Anthrax (albums with Neil Turbin), Agent Steel, Crimson Glory (first 2 albums) etc. Judas Priest's Painkiller could also be counted as a US Power Metal album, although Judas Priest are from England.
-European Power Metal is mostly happy, melodic, more anthemic than US Power Metal, features fantasy cheesy lyrics and more prominent keyboards. Bands: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Masterplan, Edguy, Avantasia, Sabaton, DragonForce, Nightwish etc.
The third group features bands that combine power metal with other genres, like Children Of The Bodom (with melodic death metal), Ensiferum (with melodic death/folk metal), Kiuas (lots of other genres), Symphony X (with progressive metal) and lots of other bands.
I also consider that some Iron Maiden songs are power metal, especially the ones from Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son - songs like Caught Somewhere In Time, The Loneliness Of The Long Distance Runner, Moonchild, Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son...
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
Thanks! 
Interesting. Would you explain why you'd call Megadeth warm and why Stratovarius cold? Strato is from Finland, but I reckon that isn't your main argument.
I see my criteria as the basic criteria counting for all power metal bands (in my eyes of course).
I agree that there are power metal tracks on Painkiller.
And I guess you're right, some of these bands should also have songs which fit to my criteria, esp. Jag Panzer.
Iced Earth is a special case because I find they are a warm metal band with cold metal riffs.
They are an interesting mix of Iron Maiden (melodically and rhythmically inspired) and Metallica and Slayer (riffs), but have enough of their own as well. They have a few tracks, which could be called power metal, take e.g. Vengeance is Mine. The rhythm comparison is obvious. Still I find the singing and soloing not melodic enough to call it a typical power metal track. Also there are not many guitar harmonies in Iced Earth's music, and most of their riffs are too aggressive to call it a power metal band.
Lots of stuff from some of those bands I don't find that happy or cheesy (it also depends on our definitions and taste), but I sure can imagine what you're talking about. The most happy track by Helloween is Future World, and I am glad that the bulk of their stuff doesn't sound like this. Also, one of my favourite bands in this category is Iron Savior, especially their first two albums.
These bands do blend their music with other ingredients, and because they do that they are not just power metal, but are described with more than one label.
I don't, because I find the rhythm aspect (see links earlier post) dominant in this discussion.
Maybe you and me would agree about one thing. Even though the term wasn't used back in that time, the first power metal album, when we look at the music and singer =
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys - part 1 (1987)
That was the year when they turned to warm, became more melodic, and started influencing countless of other bands.
NightProwler666 said:
Interesting. Would you explain why you'd call Megadeth warm and why Stratovarius cold? Strato is from Finland, but I reckon that isn't your main argument.
NightProwler666 said:
I see my criteria as the basic criteria counting for all power metal bands (in my eyes of course).
NightProwler666 said:
I agree that there are power metal tracks on Painkiller.
And I guess you're right, some of these bands should also have songs which fit to my criteria, esp. Jag Panzer.
Iced Earth is a special case because I find they are a warm metal band with cold metal riffs.
They are an interesting mix of Iron Maiden (melodically and rhythmically inspired) and Metallica and Slayer (riffs), but have enough of their own as well. They have a few tracks, which could be called power metal, take e.g. Vengeance is Mine. The rhythm comparison is obvious. Still I find the singing and soloing not melodic enough to call it a typical power metal track. Also there are not many guitar harmonies in Iced Earth's music, and most of their riffs are too aggressive to call it a power metal band.
NightProwler666 said:
Lots of stuff from some of those bands I don't find that happy or cheesy (it also depends on our definitions and taste), but I sure can imagine what you're talking about. The most happy track by Helloween is Future World, and I am glad that the bulk of their stuff doesn't sound like this. Also, one of my favourite bands in this category is Iron Savior, especially their first two albums.
NightProwler666 said:
These bands do blend their music with other ingredients, and because they do that they are not just power metal, but are described with more than one label.
NightProwler666 said:
I don't, because I find the rhythm aspect (see links earlier post) dominant in this discussion.
Maybe you and me would agree about one thing. Even though the term wasn't used back in that time, the first power metal album, when we look at the music and singer =
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys - part 1 (1987)
That was the year when they turned to warm, became more melodic, and started influencing countless of other bands.
I really don't know. I think that Stratovarius is meant to sound cold, production sounds somewhat mechanical (in a good way), most of their songs are really fast, rifftastic and they also have a lot of songs about space, winter, snow and "cold" thingsForostar said:Interesting. Would you explain why you'd call Megadeth warm and why Stratovarius cold? Strato is from Finland, but I reckon that isn't your main argument.
It's not because they are from Finland. For example, Amorphis is from Finland, but I think their last 3 albums are warm. I don't know why, but Megadeth sounds warm to me. The only exceptions are Rust In Peace (their best album, but not so melodic), Risk (HORRIBLE ALBUM) and The World Needs A Hero (not so melodic, but a good album). Youthanasia is full of great melodies, catchy songs and vocal lines. I think that it's just a matter of opinion.I think that US Power Metal was invented as a term, because you really can't say that Jag Panzer and Slayer are both thrash metal. You also can't say that Jag Panzer and Sonata Arctica are both power metal. You see my point?Forostar said:
I agree.Forostar said:Iced Earth is a special case because I find they are a warm metal band with cold metal riffs.
They are an interesting mix of Iron Maiden (melodically and rhythmically inspired) and Metallica and Slayer (riffs), but have enough of their own as well. They have a few more typical power metal tracks, take e.g. Vengeance is Mine. The rhythm comparison is obvious. Still I find the singing and soloing not melodic enough to call it a power metal track. Also there are not many guitar harmonies in Iced Earth's music, and their music is at times too aggressive to call it a power metal band.
You're right, I made a mistake. I should've noted that only their albums with Kiske fit the category.Forostar said:
Haven't heard this band yet. Check out Savage Circus, Piet and Yenz are members of that band.Forostar said:
I do agreeForostar said: