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It's a matter of taste. With Oden On Our Taste is probably their most acclaimed album, but I think that Twilight Of The Thunder God is better. I haven't listened to The Crusher or Versus The World though.
 
Eddies Wingman said:
Well, the most prominent question in the post you replied to was "If A=B and B=C, doesn't A=C?", and you answered a loud and clear NO. I took it for granted your NO was a reply to the question. I see now that there is another question in there ("So that would make Dio power metal, wouldn't it?" - and I understand now that that was the question your NO was directed at.

My bad there - although it could've been more clear what you were saying NO to. But never mind.
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It the risk of kicking a dead horse, the correct equation is: Dio > power metal = simple truth
 
If we believe Black Sabbath, fairies wear boots - and from the "New Posters" thread, we know that Faeroes wear boots. But ...

... do Pharaohs wear boots?
 
Mega said:
If A = B, and B = C, than A = STFU!

Dio isn't power metal man, what the hell.
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80's Solo Dio is. Holy Diver is as Power Metal as they come. You clearly don't know power metal if it hit you in the face...
 
Mega said:
You have no idea what you're talking about, Holy Diver is classic 80's metal.

THIS is power metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3qfnO2-s9w
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No, MAIDEN, METALLICA, JUDAS PRIEST is classic 80's metal

THIS is power metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuO3hHwQ-Sc

As is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGcvtyH8eCI

While the BG track IS power metal they are ONE band that does the supposed "tiresome" cliche's you speak of, mainly the "thousand voice" chorus

Power metal is difined mainly by having a singer that sings like a castrated choir boy from Vienna. case in point Michael Kiske, Timmo Koltipelto, Joacim Caans, Tony Kako, etc.

SECOND, "happy" music, not necessarily anthemic (Helloween, Stratovarious), Keyboards (Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, and yes DIO). Lyrics involving fantasy (again DIO, Hammerfall,), but overall hopefull, inspiring and up beat.

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Onhell said:
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NO. I can't accept this definition. Dio may have some happier songs with keyboards (Rainbow in the Dark), but he has plenty of minor key songs as well, that don't feel happy at all. Most of the album is classick metal! First two songs are great examples.

Also, putting Maiden and Metallica in the same genre and trying to prove a point? You fail!
 
Well, quite many Metallica songs from the 80s are more in the vein of classic 80s heavy metal than thrash. Think for example For Whom The Bell Tolls. Not all Metallica songs are fast and furious - and although Metallica took part in defining thrash metal (with Kill 'Em All), they didn't really stick to it. They diversified their music from RTL onwards, and I'd say a fair share of songs are more "classic heavy metal" than thrash.
 
EW said it about Metallica well, though I also can't accept "happy and high vocals=power metal".  By that definition, even a lot of Maiden songs are power metal.

Onhell said:
Power metal is difined mainly by having a singer that sings like a castrated choir boy from Vienna. case in point Michael Kiske, Timmo Koltipelto, Joacim Caans, Tony Kako, etc.
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Sorry, this made me laugh; you managed to mispell all but the most famous of those names. :bigsmile:
 
I don't think that's right either. A band can have some songs that are "out of character" without having to define them differentely.

It seems I coined a new term by mistake: Classick. It's classic and sick, get it?
 
Mega said:
NO. I can't accept this definition. Dio may have some happier songs with keyboards (Rainbow in the Dark), but he has plenty of minor key songs as well, that don't feel happy at all. Most of the album is classick metal! First two songs are great examples.

Also, putting Maiden and Metallica in the same genre and trying to prove a point? You fail!
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You're definition is too rigid.  And if you can't accept the definition then you are just in denial. Remember that in the 80's metal was being forged so a lot of artists crossed many lines. As EW says, a lot of Metallica is classic 80's metal. they are now considered Thrash, as Maiden is considered NWOBHM or "Traditional Metal."

Dio himself started as a rock 'n' roll member of Elf. Elf was the furthest thing from Metal. Then he jumped into HARD rock during Rainbow and finally did the jump to the EMERGING genre of Metal in the 80s. Holy Diver (the album AND the song) is a classic, text book case, of what EVENTUALLY became power metal.

One can't see things in black in white or specifically starting/ending on certain dates... in all reality it is shades of gray.

What YOU describe as Power Metal is the current crop of copy cats and caricatures of the genre (which are many.) Some are still worth listening too, but you're right. Many do get tiresome (DragonForce).

If I were to reach a compromise here I'd say that ok, Dio ISN'T Power Metal, but he is proto-power metal (help form the genre) and/or contains many power metal elements.

PS: I think your new term is very classick ;)
 
What I will agree to is that Dio's powerful vocals are the standart in today's power metal. I bet he had alot of influence on these bands, but overall I still think calling his music power metal isn't correct, just like calling Sabbath doom metal because they were an influence on the genre.

So yeah.


In other news, Im going to see The Mechanic. I think it's going to suck.
 
Onhell - what I wanted to ask in the "Now Playing" thread was the following:

As you probably know, Bruce's song "Man of Sorrows" has also been recorded in a Spanish version "Hombre Triste". As a speaker of Spanish, what do you think of Bruce's Spanish?
 
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