Judas Priest Discography Discussion (part 2 starting page 20)

Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Mosh, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    I was also at that tour! I left before Priest cause I only cared about BushThrax at the time :facepalm:

    I did. Can’t say it left any more of an impression than the rest of the songs.
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  2. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    I dont remember a single track from this one and you sure aren’t making me want to play it again.

    I do think the Ripper albums are proof that Halford’s vocal melodies may be even more crucial to Priest than his voice.
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  3. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    All this condemning talk. "And I'll never play it again."

    Knick did give some positive ratings though.
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  4. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    Ehh, it's understandable. I don't find it to be a very enjoyable record. I've spun it two or three times, while doing the full Priest discography, and otherwise...let's just say it never gets played.
  5. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I guess I do not approve it when someone else's view on an album is deciding someone's own behaviour in the most negative and radical way imaginable (never listen again).

    It is possible to appreciate something more, later on.
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  6. LooseCannon

    LooseCannon Yorktown-class aircraft carrier Staff Member

    And frequently people do. It would be just as lame for them to change their behaviour because someone else posted an objection on an internet forum. Let people be who they want to be.
  7. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    If a change leads to more appreciation, I do not see harm in it.
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  8. Mosh

    Mosh The years just pass like trains Staff Member

    I can see why this album is called Demolition, because I feel like some of my brain cells are demolished every time I listen to it. The riffs are sluggish and boring, drums unimaginative, and vocal melodies are either lazy or non existent. Sometimes I think Knick is too hard on Priest’s lyrics, but here they are really laughable. Why did this era have to be so angry? It’s one of the most contrived things I’ve heard.

    I’m surprised to see it rated higher than Jugulator. Jugulator is at least coherent and I can kinda see what they’re going for. There are parts where it works and part where it doesn’t work as much. I don’t really see any merit in Demolition though. Not sure if I’d give any song anything higher than a 5. It’s so long too.

    And now if you’ll excuse me I’ll be bleaching my ears with Fear of the Dark.
  9. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

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  10. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    I agree with most of your points, but I think the good songs on Demolition are far stronger than even the best material on Jugulator. None of them will ever be classics, but they're at least more listenable and enjoyable to me.
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  11. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    @Forostar, I see no one else posting anything even similar, so I can only conclude this is pointed at me?
    If so, it is gross misrepresentation of what I actually said and pretty disappointing to read.

    If I missed someone else’s post, my apologies.
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  12. MrKnickerbocker

    MrKnickerbocker clap hands

    Ripper's Live in London performance is really great (as it was on most of Meltdown). His highs on "Diamonds & Rust" are outstanding and "Feed On Me" live confirms my belief that it's a killer, more old school Priest tune. The energy is great.
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  13. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    Misinterpretation? Gross misinterpretation even?

    Since you did not improve this already, I'm not sure if you are still willing... but if you are:
    you're welcome to make me interpret this better:
    If I misinterpreted this grossly, then what does it mean? Did I take it too literally? Can the word "sure" sometimes mean "almost"?
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  14. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    “I’ve never liked mushrooms and those mushrooms you are cooking don’t smell very good” does not equal “I will never eat mushrooms again because the ones you are cooking smell bad.”

    But I shouldn’t have to explain that. Read and pay attention to what I wrote; don’t project your prejudices on me.
  15. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    I do not particularly like your arrogant tone and message in your last line of sentences.

    I did pay attention. With apparently a different interpretation. I still think what you wrote sounds different from your mushrooms example.

    No apologies for not understanding your comment the first time.

    Thank you for clearing it up. And good morning.
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  16. mckindog

    mckindog Living for Sanctuary from the law Staff Member

    Where did I say “I will never listen to this album again?”
    You put something I never said in quotation marks, twisted a general statement about lack of interest into some kind of hardheaded declaration, and on top of that attributed my (non-existent) behaviour to someone else, rather than my own free will.
    That is a gross misrepresentation.
  17. Forostar

    Forostar Ancient Mariner

    It certainly can be understood as: I haven't played it in a while (it must be this, because you said you didn't remember a single track), and reading this sure does not want me to play it again.

    Not wanting to do something again. That's not that far from never, is it? What miracle should happen before you want to play this again? I thought the review made big enough impact.
  18. eddie666

    eddie666 Nomad

    Hell is Home is great, the 2 note riff under the solo is fabulous minimalism.
    Close to You is an atmospheric favourite.
    Machine Man and Metal Messiah are good too. Actually, most of this is fine and enjoyable, superior to Jug.
    One On One's a bore though.

    I bought the digipak back in the day with free sticker and plectrum. Probably still available at all good stores!
  19. Spambot

    Spambot Educated Fool

    A few words about "Firepower".

    I liked it way more than "Redeemer of Souls". Truth be told, I didn't listened to it that much (Redeemer) although I wanted to. But it seemed forced somehow, like listening a younger wannabe Judas Priest band. I undestand they wanted to return to old sound, especially after Nostradamus, but on "Redeemer of Souls" they tried to sound so much like themselves that they've almost became parody of themselves.

    "Firepower" on the other hand, I like. It reminds me on "Angel of Retribution" which was my gateaway album to Judas. Yes, there are some "play it safe" songs (title track) and some songs where they try to sound heavy and bordered on comical (Flamethrower) but it's when they slow down where album hits it's peak (Never the Heroes and Spectre) come to mind. I also agree that maybe it could've been shorter a bit and I don't see the point of Guardians being a stand alone track. I've even consider seeing them live when the album came out but then the whole Glen drama started and I gave up.

    Nevertheless, it comforting that a (almost!) 50 year old band can still bring new music which prompts me to press the repeat button on several songs.
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  20. karljant

    karljant Ancient Mariner

    Quick notes about Priest (one of my two favorite Heavy Metal bands... guess which one is the other :p ). Just like Maiden, Priest belongs deeply to the soundtrack of my live.
    With that in mind let me tell you my opinion about each record starting with:

    THE 70's:

    Rocka Rolla: Judas Purple or Deep Priest... Hey you got to start somehow. Nice stepping stone to build their identity (although imposed by the record company).

    Highs: Rocka Rolla, Never Satisfied
    Lows: obviously too much glued to Purple's sound
    Rating: 10/20

    Sad Wings Of Destiny: Now this is where it all starts! From the anthemic Victim Of Changes where Zeppelin's groove is bathed in the crucible of Sabbath's heaviness, passing through the chilling double guitar attack of The Ripper and the utterly progressive and magical Dreamer Deceiver/Deceiver, until the twin crushers Genocide and Tyrant this album established itself immediatly as one of the most important pillars of what Metal should be! Influential and a milestone beyond what words can describe!

    Highs: almost everything is perfect
    Lows: Epitaph seems out of place
    Rating: 20/20

    Sin After Sin: One might wonder what would be the direction of the 3rd album, but once Sinner begins you find youself lost among a gigantic Prog Metal masterpiece. Joan Baes folk tune is amazingly metalized, Let Us Pray/Call For The Priest is a speed freak, and what to say about Dissident Aggressor an heavy metal monster that 4 decades after still sounds heavy to today's standards. This record is HUGE!

    Highs: Sinner, Diamonds And Rust, Let Us Pray/Call For The Priest, Dissident Aggressor
    Lows: once again the slow songs seem a bit out of place here (but we all know that's about to change)
    Rating: 18/20

    Stained Class: "Stand by for excitiiiiiiiiiiiter!!!!" Wow! Imagine the rush of adrenaline people had back then when they heard this for the first time... Nothing ever made in rock music was so fast and relentless until this thing came out. As for the rest of the album it is filled with really high quality hooky 70's metal cuts (like the well known not by the greatest of reasons Better By You, or the driving force that is Invader) untill you reach the penultimate track and... here is Priest making your chin fall to your feet! Beyond The Realms Of Death serves in equal doses softness, melody, melancholy and raging heaviness with intensity and dynamics never portraited is this format. Absolutely superb album.

    Highs: Everything's good but I have to focus my aplauses both in Exciter and Beyond The Realms of Death
    Lows: details... like how BTROD should close the record. In other words: no lows on this one
    Rating: 20/20

    Killing Machine: Once Delivering The Goods hits the speakers you're left with the sensation that short and sharp heavy rock songs will be present on this record. Rock Forever carries that task in a less stellar way and then you bump into Evening Star, a quite poppy tune and you wonder what's the direction this album is really taking. To make things even more confuse you are then confronted with that heavy as bricks classic under the name of Hell Bent For Leather... besides being one of my two favorite Priest tunes what can I say about this masterpiece? Then there's the corny Take On The World, the quite forgetable Burning Up and you're left astray once again. Fortunately the final stretch lifts the quality way higher, either through the absolutely gorgeous adaptation of Fleetwood Mac's Green Manalishi or by the unstopable metal pace of Running Wild. Before The Dawn is far from being BTROD but is quite decent and so is the groove of the title track. Evil Fantasies is a good track also. As the music ends you can't help to miss the longer songs and notice that the band is taking a more straight forward and stripped down aproach to their sound. Some fillers and a couple of poppy tunes are rearing their heads too and that hurts the record as a whole. But if you skip those rotten apples you'll find extremelly good cuts here, believe me.

    Highs: Hell Bent For Leather (YES!), Green Manalishi, Running Wild, Evil Fantasies.
    Lows: Evening Star and Take On The World, repeating the same format on several tracks, lack of a more epic and intense song like in the last 3 records.
    Rating: 17/20
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2018
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