Discussion in 'Music Discussion' started by Mosh, Dec 27, 2013.
Yeah, Metallica are full of them, even for Hard Rock...
But do you like the song ?
It's fine. Keep in mind these were the other nominees:
Lamb of God – "Set to Fail"
Megadeth – "Head Crusher"
Ministry – "Señor Peligro" (live)
Slayer – "Hate Worldwide"
Well given the other nominees, I also will choose Dissident Aggressor.
Head Crusher is fantastic song. But at least Megadeth won with Dystopia.
The Grammy's are forever apologising to Metallica for not giving them the award in '89 or whenever it was. I've never cared who won what anyway, award ceremonies are popularity contests and I hate them all. But that's another discussion.
RE: Dissident Aggressor. I think it's pretty good but I don't love it, it was indeed a weird choice for Grammy nomination. I think it's got a killer riff, loads of fun to play along with and it still manages to be ridiculously heavy today, I can't imagine what it must've been like to hear that in 1977. And even though I haven't got a clue what they mean, I quite like the lyrics. "I know what I am, I'm Berlin". Pardon?
The other Priest songs that were nominated for a Grammy Award through the years are:
Painkiller in 1991 - how this song do not won is mystery...
Bullet Train in 1999 - wow!
Nostradamus in 2009 - this song is on par with Painkiller.
Visions in 2009 - not surprised since it's a very good song.
It's got something to do with the Berlin Wall and the Cold War, although it's not much more of a passing reference. This is about the closest it gets to explaining:
Through cracked, blackened memories of unit dispersal
I face the impregnable wall
Thanks, I just thought it was meant to be some weird psychedelic stuff with some references to the Berlin Wall in there.
Easily one of Priest's best songs and perhaps the most ahead of its time metal tune ever made.
If Rob wrote it, it's probably about what it's like to be aggressively looking to have gay sex in an era when that would have you considered as a dissident.
Yay! Knick’s takes are back!
And everyone else...went off on some weird tangents?
I completely missed Knick's take, thanks for pointing it out Mckindog. Just read it. Can't agree with the idea that Mehvolution and Longness can be at least as good or even much better than the excellent Demonizer and Hellrider with their awesome guitar work (riffs(!) and solos), drums and vocals. But everyone to their own of course. A 10 for Judas Rising is also over the top imo. A way too monotone and repetitive song with not enough going on for such a rating. Deal With the Devil has too much in common with (and is weaker than) Halford's Made in Hell (also written with Z) to score a 9. Love its bridge and solo parts though!
Believe it or not, I remember when this came out. 9 year old Mosh was young, impressionable, and hadn’t really heard anything heavier than, say, Master of Puppets. I liked Judas Priest when they were fast and aggressive and Halford was screaming like a banshee. Judas Rising was really unlike anything I’d heard at the time. Aggressive, in your face, Halford’s voice sounded as powerful as ever. I didn’t know about the history of the band or that this was his first album with them since Painkiller, but even without the context it was easy to hear the sense of triumph in the performance. 13 years later, it’s still a powerful track and I agree it’s the one 10/10 song on the album.
As for the rest, it’s all pretty good but not spectacular. Some solid rockers that harken back to Priest’s glory days, but this is the first time it feels like the band is looking back rather than forward. Take Painkiller for example. It’s a fantastic album, has that unmistakable Priest sound. But it also sounds fresh and could sit in the company of albums by much younger bands. I’m not saying Priest needed to use 7 string baritone guitars, growling vocals, and blast beats, but there are a lot of musical and lyrical homages to older songs that makes this feel like the Force Awakens of Judas Priest albums. It’s solid, competent, but it doesn’t beat the original.
There are a lot of comparisons to Brave New World naturally and I feel this is the point where the gap between Priest and Maiden is more apparent than ever. One band continued to refine, experiment, and progress. The other, with one exception, pretty much stuck to their winning formula to varying results. Brave New World is a much more exciting album and one I find myself going back to regularly. Angel of Retribution is a solid metal album with mostly good songs but not one I go out of my way for.
I would probably also give this album a 7 out of 10, but more on the low 7 side.
"The only 10/10 on the album", come on, people, are you even listening to "Hellrider"?!
"I feel like this song tries to recapture the same energy and glory as “Judas Rising”, but it tries too hard." - I'd completely disagree with that. I always felt JR was the inferior version of Hellrider, the former perhaps apes their earlier material a little too much, whereas the latter takes a similar feel and does something new and exciting with it.
It’s a good song.
There isn't any 10/10 songs on the album.
No doubt some of my reaction is leftover anger from the Ripper albums channeling into positivity at any new material that actually sounds like Judas Priest. I will say that the production on this album really elevates the material. It sounds fresh, modern, and exciting. Rob's vocals in particular have more weight than usual. I'm not sure if that's an effect of aging or great vocal production, but he has more presence on this material than a lot of previous albums.
It's certainly nowhere near as good as Brave New World in terms of songwriting. Your comparison to The Force Awakens is apt, though I think this breaks more new ground than that film did in terms of the series. I will 100% agree that the lyrics are often daft and that a large part of that is due to referencing old material, but I think the melodies are great throughout (something that could not be said of a single Ripper-era song).
I think Hellrider is a bit of a mess and most of that is due to the vocal structures. Musically, I like it, but it's not in the top tier of Priest's "-er" songs.
In other news, I've listened to Nostradamus once and I don't know I'm gonna do it a few more times. Gosh that's an undertaking.
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