Iron Maiden studio album 17 rumours and speculations

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srfc said:
I'd rather listen to Wasted Years too, but I'd also love the chance to sing the whoah-ohs, i'd rejoin the FC for that one!
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Back in 2008 you had to miss some songs in order to be on stage to sing with the band (I think winners of the competition had to be at a certain place during the quiet bit of Rime of the Ancient Mariner, therefore missing half of that song and Powerslave). To be honest, I'd rather see the whole gig. ;)
 
GhostofCain said:
Added after what? The Chinese setlist predates them even starting rehearsals, does include Tears of a Clown and Wasted Years, and does not include any indication they were added at the very last minute. If anything, they decided to play Poweslave instead of Brave New World and The Wicker Man...
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After the first versions of the set (pre-rehearsals). I made a timing mistake there :) .
 
matic22 said:
After the first versions of the set (pre-rehearsals). I made a timing mitake there :) .
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Thanks. Where did you see the set list without Tears of the Clown and Wasted Years? :confused:

The only set list that I know of (and we have physical proof of) is the one approved by the Chinese authorities, dated 31st December 2015, and, therefore, predating rehearsals.
 
GhostofCain said:
Thanks. Where did you see the set list without Tears of the Clown and Wasted Years? :confused:

The only set list that I know of (and we have physical proof of) is the one approved by the Chinese authorities, dated 31st December 2015, and, therefore, predating rehearsals.
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As I said it's only assumption. The Chinese set looks like TOAC and WY were added later, which is semi-confirmed by Nicko in the IMFC magazine interview. I think Bruce really wanted to sing HCW (he stated it in the after cancer intervews, stating that he sings Trooper and HCW on regular basis), but roadies didn't want to have people on stage, so someone suggested WY as a replacement. TGU is a bit more of a wild guess, but H had a LP Custom with him in 2016, which wasn't used.
 
matic22 said:
As I said it's only assumption.
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So you do not have any information to back it up?

matic22 said:
The Chinese set looks like TOAC and WY were added later, which is semi-confirmed by Nicko in the IMFC magazine interview.
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Why does it look like that? :confused: Wasted Years is the second song on the list and Tears of the Clown the last one, but the order of the songs does not even resemble a live set list, so it is difficult to say what was added last. If anything, Powerslave seems to have been added at a later date (or they did not inform the Chinese authorities they were planning playing that song).

matic22 said:
I think Bruce really wanted to sing HCW (he stated it in the after cancer intervews, stating that he sings Trooper and HCW on regular basis), but roadies didn't want to have people on stage, so someone suggested WY as a replacement.
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Do you have a source in the crew that told you that? I am curious about it, as I have been told the crew were not pleased with the additional work that Heaven Can Wait represented back on the SBIT tour.

matic22 said:
TGU is a bit more of a wild guess, but H had a LP Custom with him in 2016, which wasn't used.
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With all respect, I would say all but Nicko's comment regarding wanting to play Tears of the Clown and Steve not being sure, are wild guesses. I might be mistaken though. :)
 
srfc said:
Where they not barred from playing Powerslave so tried to disguise it as the Wickerman?
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Funnily enough, according to Steve they were barred from having the word Powerslave on the set list but they were allowed to play the song. That is why Bruce sang, jokingly, "Tell me why I have to be a wicker man" on the first Chinese gig. :lol:
 
jazz from hell said:
Doesn't seem so far-fetched to me. I remember the HCW roadies complaint as well (can't remember where I read it), but in addition I always thought Bruce hated that song. It's a prime example of rhythmic "slavishness to the meter" in the melody of the verses that would "drive" him "nuts when he [Steve] does that" (Bruce's words, albeit in general reference to Steve's songwriting; perhaps someone remembers the source, it was an interview for BoS). He's said similar things in his solo-album interviews.
Also, I seem to remember reading that TOAC wasn't Steve's first choice as a live song.
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It was the podcast with Jericho. Jericho himself pointed out this issue when speaking about TRATB.
 
jazz from hell said:
Doesn't seem so far-fetched to me. I remember the HCW roadies complaint as well (can't remember where I read it), but in addition I always thought Bruce hated that song. It's a prime example of rhythmic "slavishness to the meter" in the melody of the verses that would "drive" him "nuts when he [Steve] does that" (Bruce's words, albeit in general reference to Steve's songwriting; perhaps someone remembers the source, it was an interview for BoS). He's said similar things in his solo-album interviews.
Also, I seem to remember reading that TOAC wasn't Steve's first choice as a live song.
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there's definitely a bit on the bonus disc for one of the recent albums where Bruce makes his case about the lyrics should be more important than the melody and Steve makes the opposite argument
 
srfc said:
there's definitely a bit on the bonus disc for one of the recent albums where Bruce makes his case about the lyrics should be more important than the melody and Steve makes the opposite argument
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AMLOAD. He says something like: "If they don't understend what I'm singing, I'm not singing for them, I'm singing for me".
 
jazz from hell said:
That's on the AMOLAD DVD, and Bruce only says that the melody is "infinitely changeable to follow the drama of the words", he doesn't say the lyrics are more important. But yeah, Steve says that the melody is the most important thing, that most Maiden fans aren't native English speakers, and that when Bruce writes lyrics, he tries to make him set every single syllable in accordance with the original melody.
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Which is pretty ironic coming from someone who was already writing melody lines like that since the days when they were only playing to native English speakers...

Bottom line is Steve is not ready to compromise what he does to make any singer's life easier.
 
I think it proves how great a singer Bruce is that he can manage to still sound great despite this. But I would like to get the chance to hear a Maiden album where Bruce gets to sing it his way.
 
Around half (or more than the half) of all the vocal melodies from The Book of Souls should be Bruce's.

So how did you like "half" of that Maiden album (the "non-Steve credited" songs)? Better than the other half (the "with Steve credited"-songs)?
 
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matic22 said:
TGU was switched with TOAC after Nicko asked them to play the latter. That would explain why H had his black Les Paul Custom with him on the road in 2016.
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I also think TGU was meant to be played in 2016. I remember an interview with Adrian before the tour started that he dreaded to do TGU live because of the tuning. Of course they hadn't decided on the setlist yet, but they probably were intending to do it. That's why they did it this year, it wasn't a Maiden thing to do and it was because Nicko demanded Tears of a Clown in the set in 2016 (Thank God for that).
 
Both of them, but I think TGU was in a better place for it in the setlist. TOAC I think was superior live by a hair, but TGU had better flow. Overall, very happy I saw both live.
 
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