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What a horrible act. I just got married myself (boring as I am, it was a "traditional" wedding, female and male). And I would be very upset that if at some place in the world, people would be able to deny our bond of love.

Marriage is a bond of love.


As I said marriage is new to me and we both had had a great day. It is very special to say YES to that specific question in front of all our family and friends. If people truly love each other, why care if they are both male/female? Let them get married and live long and healthy.
 
I saw someone on here ask 'why such a proble  with gay' or something like that.  I hate to keep beating this drum, but it seems that the Christian Right use the bible to make it a scary thing.  I know many fundamental christians that don't approve, but don't have any animosity towards homosexuals.  But, as Mav (I think) pointed out, the Bible can be a scary book to some people.  One of my fav authors writes a 'future history' where marriage is between 2-- or more-- people that love each other.  It doesn't matter what race, sex, or relationship they are.  How amazing to be in a society like that!

As to the Kinsey reports, I think they were great and ground breaking and really opened some doors.  However, I agree that they should be re-done.  I would love to see how the answers have changed, now that so many people seem more free with their sexuality.

I would love to see some people using LC's idea, and go to Canada to get married.  I believe the statement was: "its a treaty and the US considers a treaty as the highest law of the land".  Or words to that effect.
 
Thanks Mav!!!    Those words are just great to read while just awake. Sorry if I am wrong about it (I hope not) and sorry if I hurt your feelings.

But we rather stay on topic here:

IMO if people love each other, let them.
 
Sorry to blow your bubble, mate. After all, maybe you'll be one of the lucky few couples to be happily married. But just know that this is more an exception than the rule.

Warhurst said:
IMO if people love each other, let them.
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People in love usually don't give a monkeys what the others think -- and rightly so!

Marriage suffers from its institutionalisation and deep traditions, essentially religious ones. I personally don't have any problems with same sex marriages, but then again I'm in favour of freedom for all as long as it doesn't harm anyone. (see, I can be naive too!)
 
Maverick said:
Sorry to blow your bubble, mate. After all, maybe you'll be one of the lucky few couples to be happily married. But just know that this is more an exception than the rule.

People in love usually don't give a monkeys what the others think -- and rightly so!

Marriage suffers from its institutionalisation and deep traditions, essentially religious ones.  (see, I can be naive too!)
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Religious ones? HA! Money makes even religion go round. Economic needs and interests are still at the root of marriage and procreation.
 
Forostar said:
A : Can a homosexual harm someone else (at a wedding / partying in underwear at a parade / playing in a soap / being a teacher etc. etc. etc.) because he or she is (showing) something?

B : Can a homosexual be harmed when he or she can not show it and speak out about it?
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Let's put it this way: someone who is gay being gay may make somebody uncomfortable.  Someone who isn't gay discriminating against gays causes this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard.
 
Onhell said:
Religious ones? HA! Money makes even religion go round. Economic needs and interests are still at the root of marriage and procreation.
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Disagreements over finances is still divorce reason #1.  And to keep it on topic, gay people are getting divorces just as easily as straight people.  This reminds me of a joke by a gay comedian a while back.  After a long rant about how far the gay community has come in being accepted, he talked about his friend's marriage and then the divorce.  There were chuckles and then he ended on the punch line: "see us gay people can be just as normal as you straight people."  Classic!  :D
 
Well Natalie, big respect for your post. You seem to control your emotions very well about those hurting words. 

I guess I showed the most anger about this whole topic and about the fact that some mods were so tolerant towards him (and the rules haven't become much clearer since this topic). They thought he was "just" ignorant, but I think they didn't realize how much painful such words can be for the people he ranted about.

However, I am glad that you felt comforted by "the opposition", and I really hope it will be less hard for you to live as a homosexual... would you care to mention the differences in the three (or four or more?) countries you've lived in? You don't have to, of course, I'm only wondering how tolerant some countries (or some of their people in those countries) are.
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Being tolerant and trying to help Zare in this instance I think is important Foro. To give a comparison, I am not a drug user but I know many that are and some are my closest friends. I disagree with it but if I have a friend that has recently shed 50 pounds, lost his job and is well on the way to death because of becoming a heroin addict, I am going to help him; despite the fact that I find his behavior repulsive. I think that that is the mods' point here; it is ignorance and misinformation causing Zare's stance, not outright hatred.
 
Zare has not posted in a long time and I'm curious as to what he'd say.  Though I have seen him here when Mav first re-opened the thread.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Disagreements over finances is still divorce reason #1.  And to keep it on topic, gay people are getting divorces just as easily as straight people.  This reminds me of a joke by a gay comedian a while back.  After a long rant about how far the gay community has come in being accepted, he talked about his friend's marriage and then the divorce.  There were chuckles and then he ended on the punch line: "see us gay people can be just as normal as you straight people."  Classic!  :D
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Yup! The first marriage between two women in Canada also resulted in the first divorce :D
 
Your friend is not hurting or threatening a whole group. He is damaging himself, not someone else. I really find that something else. I don't think Zare sees our comments as helping him.
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While not hurting or threatening a whole group, he would still be destroying many lives, ie. family, friends, putting a strain on society, possibly robbing people for drug money, etc.

Obviously, misguided opinions have been formed in this instance, trying to shed light in this case by arguing to the contrary may not help but at least it is offering a chance for an individual to become more tolerant based on the thoughts and knowledge of others.
 
Forostar said:
To have an endless open discussion, in which the discrimination still (could) continue(s), I find a bit too tolerant. It would have ended way earlier if this was about Jews or negro's.
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No.  It wouldn't have.  And who said this topic and the vehement responses therein are aimed at one person?  I don't think they are.  They're aimed at anyone who might be yet to make an opinion.  The last thing I would want is for someone who isn't sure to read the psuedoscientific nonsense earlier in this thread and think it's realistic or plausible.

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Still, I don't feel that comfortable about it. My parents brought me up with the message not to discriminate, and I thought that the forum rules agree(d) with that.
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The forum rules are clear on this subject.  While they don't specifically mention sexual orientation, the reference is to "blatant (discrimination)".  In this case, it was considered borderline.  If someone came in with a Fred Phelps-style post, it would be handled via deletion and banning.

If you have an issue with the way the Moderation Team has handled the subject, please PM the Administrators (Real World & Maverick).  As they wrote the rules, they can certainly give "final interpretation" on it.
 
The forum rules are indeed clear. Hatred of any kind is not welcome. You can't like everybody, but you'd better have clear-written arguments as to why you don't like a certain group of Humanity. Then again, prepare to be rebuked -- and sometimes strongly!

I don't feel that a discussion about homosexuality is a bad thing, unless it turns into a pointless slanging match. We should all be free to express our opinions, although I wonder why sexuality elicits stronger responses than, for instance, handedness. I don't mind if people are left- of right-handed, nor do I mind what sexual orientation they have. But then, that's just the way I am, I suppose.

Congrats to Nathalie and Acacia for revealing a bit of their lives. You are who you are, and there's no shame or pride involved. As long as you're comfortable with yourselves, everything's fine. You are people. You are persons. You are unique, like everyone of us.
 
One thing is for certain here (as well as in many other threads): You certainly are one passionate dude in your beliefs and convictions Foro; and actively portraying them and defending them is commendable.  :)
 
Hey, having intense, hair-raising discussions with you on these boards is one of my most favorite things to do in here. That and posting nonsense. I'm sure not everyone agrees, but you keep us on our toes!  :D

Remember: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything........
 
This:

Forostar said:
-overrated
-unreliable
-"stats"
-can't be taken serious
-jumps

I find these not very convincing arguments. Sounds more like someone who tries to explain why he dislikes a Maiden song, without knowing how to do that. I might be wrong but I have the idea that you dislike the idea (like you dislike a song) and that's it.
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Forostar said:
Thanks. But sometimes it can be annoying, and I should know when to stop, on time. I learnt that from a certain *cough* thread. ;)
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You've started many interesting threads that have led to plenty of discussions.  We all benefit.  ;)
 
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