European Politics

Forostar said:
Terrorism does not only come from other countries. Read again.
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But some comes from other countries ... thinking it can all be stopped is foolish, but it is equally foolish to open your doors without at least making a full effort to see who is coming in and doubly foolish to let people back in after going to the Middle East when there is evidence they were involved with terror groups while they are there. 100% safe is a fallacy, but it does not mean bury your head in the sand.

The US has immigration problems, but we do not have Mexicans, Central Americans, etc strapping bombs to themselves. The is pretty isolated to one section of the world and putting people coming from that section of the world under higher scrutiny makes complete sense. Certainly not fair to the majority who mean no harm, but it is fair to people going about their everyday lives who do not want to be blown up. That's life.
 
Forostar said:
But why do you completely ignore that text I posted?
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I don't ignore it, I think it is naive. These groups will attack if Europe opens it arms to migrants and gives them flowers or turns them away at the border. Long term, it has a point that Europe needs to find a way to integrate migrants into its culture and it has failed in many respects there. But there is certainly a short term threat and screening migrants seems common sense.
 
bearfan said:
But some comes from other countries ... thinking it can all be stopped is foolish, but it is equally foolish to open your doors without at least making a full effort to see who is coming in and doubly foolish to let people back in after going to the Middle East when there is evidence they were involved with terror groups while they are there. 100% safe is a fallacy, but it does not mean bury your head in the sand.

The US has immigration problems, but we do not have Mexicans, Central Americans, etc strapping bombs to themselves. The is pretty isolated to one section of the world and putting people coming from that section of the world under higher scrutiny makes complete sense. Certainly not fair to the majority who mean no harm, but it is fair to people going about their everyday lives who do not want to be blown up. That's life.
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Thank you, very much, for stirring trouble and plunging countries into war five thousand miles away.
This is problem created by U.S. of A, with it's allies and should be treated as such. Whoever lent a hand and was the Willing, can have a part of the shitpie you baked. Complete EU immigration problem wouldn't exist if actor who is responsible for someone loosing a roof above his head were responsible for sheltering him.

Keep that in mind while doing comparisons with your local problems.
 
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It is not a short or mid term solution. But at least that part before the comma looks in at the roots of terrorism.
 
Forostar said:
It is not a short or mid term solution. But at least it looks in at the roots of terrorism.
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That's nice, but not overly practical. But ignores that there are multiple sides to this and tends to give them an excuse for this ... like some (not saying you) did for the Charlie Hebdo attacks earlier this year
 
It's both a short-term & long-term crisis, in terms of how Europe should deal with it though. In purely simplistic terms, & looking at the mass migration part of it in isolation --you can have any views you want on border control & immigration starting now; you still have to deal with all the immigrants who are already here, who arrived in Europe facilitated by an immigration system that you may agree or disagree with.
 
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Forostar said:
Not practical? It's necessary.

Which sides are you talking about?
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Focusing on immigration ... one side (in this case France) has to be willing to integrate immigrants into it's society, the other side (the immigrants) have to be willing to integrate into that society. Both have failed on these accounts .. speaking generally.

You can probably easily trace the roots of this all the way back to the Crusades if you want, nice to know .. but failing the invention of a time machine, not a lot to do about that
 
That side is acknowledged in the article. Integration comes from both directions. It works best when freedom, equality and fraternity is applied to the immigrants as well. In France in particular, this has been going wrong in the last decade.
 
Forostar said:
That side is acknowledged in the article. Integration comes from both directions. It works best when freedom, equality and fraternity is applied to the immigrants as well. In France in particular, this has been going wrong in the last decade.
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But it also comes from migrants integrating into (in this case) French/Western culture .. which requires change and generally happens the next generation or two, not the initial generation. The attitude of "we are here, this is our way of life and we are not changing it" is not overly helpful and at least some decent percentage of migrants have that view.

It is not a one sided thing .. the evil French versus the innocent migrants. Which is how I read your statements.
 
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Forostar said:
That side is acknowledged in the article. Integration comes from both directions. It works best when freedom, equality and fraternity is applied to the immigrants as well. In France in particular, this has been going wrong in the last decade.
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Forostar said:
How did you read that? I said:
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I have read that in your posts in general ... maybe France has been going about this wrong, but the immigrants have (in general) not helped themselves in this matter either. Hopefully their kids will ... trying to move France in their direction is not realistic nor should it be desired.
 
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