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Maybe he just feels more of an obligation towards his Fatherland... who knows. Personally, scandals about the church are like news bullitins about school shootings in the U.S. It's like, "really? another one? why is this even news anymore?" People blow it up into this HUGE thing, goes on the media circuit, they discuss celebacy, say the church should be destroyed, others that they should let them get married, others that they should ordain women, and not ordain homosexuals, then they point out homosexuality and pederastry are two different things with nothing in common and that there are more pederasts in the mainstream population than there is in the church, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc....
 
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Actually, it is not blown out of proportion in Germany. It deserves the attention it is getting. The reason being that the accused clergymen were mostly also teachers in schools and molested their pupils. Some of these schools were boarding schools (not exclusively Catholic) with high reputations, so it's really a pretty dramatic thing.
 
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It's absolutely not blown out of proportions in the Netherlands. The Bishops are dealing wise and very quick with this matter, they've even appointed an external figure (an ex-politician and Protestant!) to do the big research.

It would have been a bigger drama if the church would have been unwilling to cooperate, for instance in some other countries this drame took way too much time, and caused the church more damage.

So I am thankful we're not the first country where this drama was unveiled.
 
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They are probably learning from their experience in the US, Canada, Ireland, etc. Our local bishop was caught with child pornography on his laptop...this being the second time the cops busted him with child porn.
 
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I do not like the idea of removing voting rights, sounds like corruption would be very easy to achieve. 

Just let Germany, France and UK run the thing like in the old days, they are the only ones that seem capable.  The rest of us can barely keep even our highest civil servants on the straight and narrow.

Nicola
 
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Today an unprecedented step has been made in the Polish-Russian relations.

The Katyn remembrance is still going on. I am quite excited about these developments, and hope that this will make things better between these countries.
 
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Forostar said:
Today an unprecedented step has been made in the Polish-Russian relations.

The Katyn remembrance is still going on. I am quite excited about these developments, and hope that this will make things better between these countries.

Will Putin make apologies? We'll have to see that, but at least this is already better than before.
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Quite impressive, indeed. Putin seems to have significant interest in the de-stalinisation of his country, given that he also rejected any kind of support for Stalin images in this year's victory parades and supports the notion that the war was won by the Russian people, not by Stalin.

What is particularly interesting is how this coincides with the begin of construction of the Nord Stream pipeline...
 
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Why would Putin have to apologize? Didn't Gorbachev already do that in 1990? According to the article that is when Russia finally took responsibility for the crimes. I'd like to imagine it wasn't just, "oh yeah we did it, by the way." I'm sure there was an "and we're sorry." somewhere in there. Putin he reaffirm that sentiment.
 
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To stress this matter again, and commemorate it for the first time with Poland is good for the relations between these countries. An apology didn't happen (maybe by a next government or a few after that), but that would again make the relations better, it shows even more empathy for the victims and their descendants.
 
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It goes in steps, just like what Per said about the Serbs and Srebrenica, in the Balkan topic.
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Step by step, indeed. Although, allow me the thought, I expect more from Serbia than from Russia.
 
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It is very sad, I saw that...it is basically every important figure in Poland who just died - President and First Lady, the head of the military, chief of the central bank. It's a tragedy, an amazingly sad tragedy.
 
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Here's an interesting article related to that. It may be just paranoia, but it's kind of suspicious that the entire civilian, military and financial leadership of a country gets killed like this.

Anyway, apparently the president of the Polish central bank and the president of Poland agreed to weaken the zloty (national currency) in order to aid the exporters, which would hurt the importers, i.e. the rest of the EU.
 
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I've been suspicious on whether this was a pure accident myself. I talked about that with some mates last night, and they all had similar feelings. However, this:

In the New World Order, bad things tend to happen to leaders who aren’t team players.
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is pure fucking bullshit. If anyone uses the word "New World Order", they have earned a shutting off of my ears and disregard forever.
 
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The Infowars site (and all other things connected to Alex Jones) are pretty extreme when dealing with things that resemble the NWO conspiracy theories, I agree. But Jones realizes some things well in advance - during the first couple of days of the swine flu panic he pointed out that it's a pharmaceutical scam in order to get some fast cash. Also, the Jane Burgermeister UN-lawsuit story appeared on his site literally weeks before any of the mass media reported on it.
 
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Alex Jones is a fucking tool. While I agree that it looks suspicious, especially where it happened in Russia (a country known to not exactly love Poland), the air traffic control records suggest simple pilot error.
 
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gulranek said:
The Infowars site (and all other things connected to Alex Jones)
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Ah, there we go. Had I known that site was run by Alex Jones, I wouldn't even have bothered clicking the link.
 
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Wait, he's saying the EU did it?  I've already heard conspiracy theories about the Russians doing it, but the EU?  Come on, the EU is an economic/political union of over 20 sovereign states, not a single state with a central government.  To think that the "government" or "leaders" of the European Union could carry this out is already a misunderstanding of the whole structure of the EU.  Who planned it, the Commission?  Just the President of the European Commission?  The EU doesn't even have CIA, for fuck's sake.

At least the Russian conspiracy is a bit more credible because it's, well, Russia.  And I don't believe that either, to be frank, because I think it would be a bit too obvious given the past record of dictators getting rid of rivals in plane crashes. 
 
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