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Magnus said:
Education does not make you less of an idiot if you are one
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This part of your post makes it clear that you continue not to understand what I'm trying to say. If your argument was actually relevant to the point I'm making, I wouldn't have called your initial post "true and important".

The point I'm making is based on simple statistics, and the overall point is that averages don't render deviations irrelevant, and vice versa.
 
The Flash said:
This part of your post makes it clear that you continue not to understand what I'm trying to say. If your argument was actually relevant to the point I'm making, I wouldn't have called your initial post "true and important".
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I suppose you're right, I continue not to understand what you're trying to say.
I thought I saw contempt for people lacking formal education but I must have been wrong.
Please do not consider my initial post as either true or important.
 
Magnus said:
I suppose you're right, I continue not to understand what you're trying to say.
I thought I saw contempt for people lacking formal education but I must have been wrong.
Please do not consider my initial post as either true or important.
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Well you are wrong. I deemed your acknowledgement that those lacking formal education can be brighter than those with true and important, that suggests the opposite of what you thought you saw.

@GhostofCain's sentiment follows statistical averages. You weren't wrong to point out that high formal education doesn't necessitate brightness or, in this case, familiarity with science. Then I made the point, with the acknowledgement mentioned above, that @GhostofCain's sentiment is understandable because averages are not rendered irrelevant by the deviations.

Someone who has attained high level education at a prestigious level is subject to qualifiers. Those qualifiers decrease the number of people who will slip through the cracks, if said qualifiers are robust. It takes a certain level of cognitive capability to be able to reach levels of higher education, especially at prestigious institutions of higher education. That's a pretty significant qualifier, so the percentage of people who slip through the cracks is smaller. Those with greater cognitive capability are less likely to be idiots in terms of knowledge and reasoning, so that's another qualifier. You still have idiots slipping through the cracks, hence my acknowledgement of your point, but the percentage is small compared to the uneducated, for no reason but the fact there are qualifiers related to cognitive capability in one sample group, and none for the other, which in this case would be everyone who doesn't have high level formal education, a group that includes myself, mind you.
 
The Flash said:
Well you are wrong. I deemed your acknowledgement that those lacking formal education can be brighter than those with true and important, that suggests the opposite of what you thought you saw.

@GhostofCain's sentiment follows statistical averages. You weren't wrong to point out that high formal education doesn't necessitate brightness or, in this case, familiarity with science. Then I made the point, with the acknowledgement mentioned above, that @GhostofCain's sentiment is understandable because averages are not rendered irrelevant by the deviations.

Someone who has attained high level education at a prestigious level is subject to qualifiers. Those qualifiers decrease the number of people who will slip through the cracks, if said qualifiers are robust. It takes a certain level of cognitive capability to be able to reach levels of higher education, especially at prestigious institutions of higher education. That's a pretty significant qualifier, so the percentage of people who slip through the cracks is smaller. Those with greater cognitive capability are less likely to be idiots in terms of knowledge and reasoning, so that's another qualifier. You still have idiots slipping through the cracks, hence my acknowledgement of your point, but the percentage is small compared to the uneducated, for no reason but the fact there are qualifiers related to cognitive capability in one sample group, and none for the other, which in this case would be everyone who doesn't have high level formal education, a group that includes myself, mind you.
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Thank you for this explanation, Flash, I misunderstood your point apparently.
 
Magnus said:
Who's the guy on the left, excuse my ignorance?
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Jacob Rees-Mogg. An Etonian and Oxford graduate who, like the Prime Minister, can also quote Latin at the drop of a (top)hat. Before last year's General Election he implied that people who died in a tower block inferno lacked "common sense" in the gaffe to end all gaffes, thus demonstrating that educated idiots can be harmful.
 
Black Wizard said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg. An Etonian and Oxford graduate who, like the Prime Minister, can also quote Latin at the drop of a (top)hat. Before last year's General Election he implied that people who died in a tower block inferno lacked "common sense" in the gaffe to end all gaffes, thus demonstrating that educated idiots can be harmful.
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Bloody humanists.
 
Magnus said:
I've met remarkable idiots with a doctorate (D.Sc. included) and an academic career who understand shit.
And people with no degrees having a brilliant grasp of "science".
Nothing to do with Merkel, just a random comment.
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Don't get me wrong, I have met many stupid people with degrees too!

The point I was trying to make is that Angela Merkel is a stateswoman who understands science and can explain it in layman's terms. Too often our leaders just bluster and tweet messages without any substance, so she is an exception in an ocean of mediocrity.
 
Black Wizard said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg. An Etonian and Oxford graduate who, like the Prime Minister, can also quote Latin at the drop of a (top)hat. Before last year's General Election he implied that people who died in a tower block inferno lacked "common sense" in the gaffe to end all gaffes, thus demonstrating that educated idiots can be harmful.
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It is remarkable how Jacob Rees-Mogg has been sidetracked by his own ilk since then...

Whenever I see him, I always think "upper class twit of the year".

 
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Razorback whale (2nd largest animal on the planet) spotted near Split, courtesy of shipping and sailing restrictions due to CV :)) A magnificent beast.
 
LooseCannon said:
USA will pass 40,000 deaths today.
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We went to the gas station yesterday (also went inside to buy a few things), the UPS store to mail stuff, a drive thru for lunch, and the garden store to buy some more plants for the garden (herbs peppers, and tomatoes)... felt like a European vacation compared to what I had been doing the last month :)
 
Almost all my trains to work were cancelled. I live 90km from my work, I had train every hour but thanks to this mess now I can travel only on 6:10, 7:10 or 15:20. Good thing that my manager is cool about it and told me to stay home and to not be stupid enough to try traveling to work on this f***ed up times.
 
In Poland they're discussing about opening schools for youngest kids (<13).

Now imagine 20+ kids in room that's 50m2, from 8 to 3 wearing masks, remembering about washing hands and keeping distance.

That's the best idea that I've ever heard.
 
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