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Forostar said:
@GhostofCain
The rioting folk is probably a mixed bag, People who seek sensation, people who follow along, people who believe consipracy theories, people who are angry at politics, main stream media. It is believed that lots of them are under 25.

These cities have been hit over the last three days (black: weekend / red: Monday night):
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Thanks.

I guess we will see more riots if the pandemic restrictions go on for much longer. At the end of the day, the young are the ones more likely to lose their jobs and have inherited a society where being able to afford something as basic as a place to live is beyond their means. Unless we find a way to fix our very unequal societies soon, things can turn pretty ugly.
 
GhostofCain said:
Meanwhile in the UK, a government minister says live on TV the world-beating death rate from Covid-19 in the UK is due to an obesity problem and an ageing society. When asked if she was saying the public was "too old" and "too fat", she felt it was insulting and ended up the interview quite abruptly:

www.independent.co.uk

Tory minister terminates ‘insulting’ breakfast TV interview with Piers Morgan

Therese Coffey clashes with Good Morning Britain’s Piers Morgan
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

You cannot make these things up! :lol:
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What sad times we live in ... Piers Moron back onto British TV? :wtf:

Who's responsible?!!?
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Black Abyss Babe said:
What sad times we live in ... Piers Moron back onto British TV? :wtf:

Who's responsible?!!?
:facepalm:
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Definitely not me! :lol:

Either way, he has been recently tearing a new one to incompetent government ministers live on TV, which I find quite amusing considering he is a convinced right-winger/Tory supporter.
 
GhostofCain said:
Either way, he has been recently tearing a new one to incompetent government ministers live on TV, which I find quite amusing considering he is a convinced right-winger/Tory supporter.
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I don't find anything about him amusing - he just strikes me as an annoying, obnoxious git who shouldn't be throwing any stones in that particular glass house. Every time I see his smarmy face I just want to punch it ... :mad:
 
Black Abyss Babe said:
I don't find anything about him amusing - he just strikes me as an annoying, obnoxious git who shouldn't be throwing any stones in that particular glass house. Every time I see his smarmy face I just want to punch it :mad:
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Fair enough. I must admit that seeing Tory ministers being humiliated live on TV by one of their own ilk is enjoyable, regardless of how despicable that “journalist” might be. It is quite telling about the failings of the UK government that sycophants like him are acting like this.
 
Another workplace evacuation today. One whole department has been told to isolate and they're bringing in testing for staff. They think there's an asymptomatic spreader. Or maybe it's just working its way around and it takes a few days to find out if you're infected...
Pity because they're strict about distancing and cleaning. Ventilation is another matter, there isn't any.
 
Meanwhile this is the news in the EU (or at least overhere), Google Translated by yours truly:


Contract between EU and AstraZeneca public today

Today the European Commission discloses the contract with pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca, sources confirm to the NOS. Parts of the contract will be blackened. "But it is in the interest of both parties to keep the disputed parts legible, to prove that they are right," said correspondent Thomas Spekschoor.

The EU previously asked AstraZeneca to make the contract public. The two sides clash over the delivery of the vaccine. Earlier this month, AstraZeneca unexpectedly reported that the pharmaceutical company will deliver not 80 million, but only about 30 million vaccines to the 27 EU countries in the first quarter.

According to AstraZeneca, the contract with the EU merely states that it must do its utmost to meet the promised deliveries. The EU suspects that vaccines produced in the Netherlands and Belgium have been used to deal with production setbacks in the United Kingdom.

AstraZeneca has now offered the EU an additional 8 million doses in the first quarter, according to Reuters news agency. According to the EU, that is not enough, because it is still much less than the agreed delivery.

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And this:
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Germany expects limited EU approval for AstraZeneca vaccine​


Questions remain about how well the AstraZeneca vaccine protects older people. Only 12% of the participants in the AstraZeneca research were over 55 and they were enrolled later, so there hasn’t been enough time to get results.

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I am going a little fast here but that would be something:
the UK and AstraZenica fooling the EU resulting in: the UK is the quickest, but with a shitty vaccine.
 
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It also can be an answer to discredit AstraZeneca but it looks that at the end they're in it for the money obviously and the best buyer is the first served. They don't serve EU because they're serving first to other countries that have been paid more and they're breaching the contract. They don't matter about lives.
Anyway if the vaccine doesn't works for elders over 65, it could be dangerous for people under this age with health problems or high risk people. Yes it could be a shitty vaccine.
Johnson and Johnson will talk about their essays today.
And Russia offers 100 M OF their vaccine Sputnik to EU
 
Russian vaccine is a good fallback. However it's just an old school vaccine. It works, but we're better off investing in accelerated mRNA development.
 
Brigantium said:
Ventilation is another matter, there isn't any.
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Another thing I hope will be taken more seriously as a result of all this - it's been really frustrating spending my entire working life trying to convince ignorant executive types that air in a closed space getting stale isn't an old wives tale ... :(
 
Zare said:
Russian vaccine is a good fallback. However it's just an old school vaccine. It works, but we're better off investing in accelerated mRNA development.
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Our government admitted they're going for the Russian vaccine and I quote, "because it's the cheapest." Glad they have our best interest at heart
 
I tend to think the real problem in the AZ row is companies backtracking on deals they were very eager to make but never had the capacity to deliver in the timescale promised. There's a supply issue with Moderna too that's got less publicity than the AZ and Pfizer ones. I'd like to see the companies themselves take responsibility for this and their contractual obligations, or it be taken through the courts, rather than dragging everyone into vaccine nationalism and trade wars. Despite what the reactionary section of the press like to put out, nobody owns those vaccines other than the developers and producers.

While it's possible to speculate which vaccine you'd ideally like to have, the vast majority of people will never have any say in what vaccine they're offered, whether they're offered one in the next six months, and if they're offered one at all.

On a brighter note, my parents have finally been booked in for their first shots. They have no idea which vaccine it is.

Black Abyss Babe said:
Another thing I hope will be taken more seriously as a result of all this - it's been really frustrating spending my entire working life trying to convince ignorant executive types that air in a closed space getting stale isn't an old wives tale ... :(
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Maybe it'll work better when framed in terms of transmission of bugs, staff absences and health and safety. Execs would consider stale air a cosmetic issue and only of significance in places where the top brass work. So many offices are terrible for fresh air circulation, especially small ones in converted shops and houses.
 
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