Being "tired of the lockdown" is a bullshit, insulting excuse. Everyone is tired of it, going out to protest against the lockdown isn't gonna help anyone.
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MrKnickerbocker
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You are, sadly, probably correct. Destruction and violence will change the narrative and result in, if anything, harsher restrictions.
You clearly don't know a lot of twenty-something entitled Americans who can't go out for brunch.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
People handle isolation differently, and not saying it is THE excuse or a good one, just that it is yet one more straw on the cammel's back.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
And? Is doesn't prove the ought.
Interesting anecdote, but irrelevant.
I don't think either Malcolm X or MLK were these "can't-do-wrong" messiah-like figures, so that proves absolutely nothing. I disagree with the politics of both a fair amount. Does the good outweigh the bad? Yeah, probably. Doesn't mean there wasn't anything "bad" going on. Malcolm X actively advocated for black separatism for a long while also. MLK's point about looting is absolute nonsense.
We are not supposed to have an opinion on the issue, then?
Having a utilitarian "the ends are good so the means don't matter" outlook on the issue is fine - the problem is you're also defending out of context acts here as if they are relevant to the cause. There's nothing about looting random businesses during a protest that contributes to anything. As pointed out, it actually hurts the movement. Even if the movement ultimately got the job done, their offenses wouldn't be excused.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
the same friend I was discussing this with said that after events like these people tend to vote conservative. The places where this is happening are currently blue cities and states.... Trump for the win?
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Memorial Day was excuse one to get out, this is an excuse (for some) as well. In any case, all the hysteria about 20 people having a picnic does not seem to apply to 100s of people marching (I get that it is a different reason to be together) ... but I think this really semi-officially ends the lockdown stuff in the US, especially in the cities
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
Proves it's what normally gets shit done. Rome wasn't toppled through idle protest, neither was the Brithish Empire. America didn't become independant immediately after the Boston Tea Party....
Not irrelevant, showing the massive indifference, victim blaming and disconnect.
"no one is perfect" doesn't discredit their accomplishments or philosophy. Otherwise NO ONE should be quoted, admired, strived for, etc.
EXACTLY! are you black or a minority living in the U.S? If no, then... exactly. It would be like me opining on the current state of Turkey and saying dumb shit like Hagia Sophia should be a Byzantine temple again and why not name Instanbul Constantinople again? I mean... it's just a name, right? I have NO clue of the current state of affairs, culture, every day life in modern Turkey so me saying anything about the totalitarian government or how it's people should or shouldn't protest it a la Arab Spring is completely out of line.
Again, a lot of the destruction of LOCAL businesses has been traced to out-of-state thugs. The initial looting of TARGET, a chain, whose CEO has already stated he doesn't care about, is whatever.
The Flash
Dennis Wilcock did 9/11
We know this already. Each of those things have different ways of developing and different contexts. Almost none of those things were completely benign in the way they approached things, and in the way they did things after the fact. I object to dismissing the relevance of all ethical violations (especially those unrelated or barely related to the cause) because the end result turned out good, an approach that we suggests we shouldn't care to diminish the negative impact caused along the way.
Well I acknowledged that the good probably outweights the bad anyway. I pointed out that there's a whole lot of things those two have said and supported that I find inane and/or unacceptable, so you quoting their takes on related issues doesn't pack a greater punch than the opinions of anyone else. You could say Farty McFartface once said that the looting was the voice of the unheard, and it'd have the same substance behind it for me, which is none at all.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
Except it wasn't Farty Mcfartface (nice name btw) it was MLK.
We say stupid shit on this forum ALL the time... consequences? The ocassional forum fight. Trump says stupid shit ALL the time on Twitter, the consequences? Well... we're looking at them. WHO says WHAT does matter.
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If only the USA had a leader.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
And they've dealt with it very differently than the U.S. Starting with outlawing slavery well before the U.S. Also, not just towards blacks, but against Indians (from India), Turks, Roma, and many other minorities.
Black Wizard
Pleb Hunter
Forostar
Ancient Mariner
This sentence on Blabbermouth is some sort of understatement:
"Axl is no fan of the current occupant of the Oval Office"
"Axl is no fan of the current occupant of the Oval Office"
jazz from hell
Ancient Mariner
Well, that "nothing will change" is out of the question. In fact, a lot has changed over the past few weeks already. If Trump indeed survives all this and it isn't a turning point for the better, the other possibility is, what a Newspapers here titled today:
"Absteigende Grossmacht": Descending Great Power Nation. (https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch).
I don't want that to happen (or to continue). In spite of all of America's historic or contemporary faults, I was always glad and thankful the USA were the superpower in the world, not Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and not Europe. In fact, to think any of those would have done it better than the USA in the past 100 years is absurd imo. And as a musician, I love the USA.
I'm not telling anyone in America what to do and how to vote, but the inluence the US have on us in Europe (and the whole world) isn't in any way comparable the one of Turkey, so obviously we have an opinion. Everybody is seeing the harm the past 3 1/2 years of American incompetence have done, and it must get criticized from in- *and* outside of the US.
Also, Trump had to move to his underground bunker to hide yesterday because of the riots, I think don't think this has been discussed.
"Absteigende Grossmacht": Descending Great Power Nation. (https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch).
I don't want that to happen (or to continue). In spite of all of America's historic or contemporary faults, I was always glad and thankful the USA were the superpower in the world, not Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and not Europe. In fact, to think any of those would have done it better than the USA in the past 100 years is absurd imo. And as a musician, I love the USA.
I'm not telling anyone in America what to do and how to vote, but the inluence the US have on us in Europe (and the whole world) isn't in any way comparable the one of Turkey, so obviously we have an opinion. Everybody is seeing the harm the past 3 1/2 years of American incompetence have done, and it must get criticized from in- *and* outside of the US.
Also, Trump had to move to his underground bunker to hide yesterday because of the riots, I think don't think this has been discussed.
Onhell
Infinite Dreamer
yeah, he twitted a "thanksobama" when the lights went out lol
bearfan
Ancient Mariner
Effectively police power is at the state level and in all states at lower levels of government (counties/cities). The Feds (beyond some grants .. many ill advised one size fits all solutions) really have no power over the police .. with the exception of federal courts. Of any area of government, the President has virtually no police power compared to governors and mayors and their respective legislative bodies. Obviously this would be different if it were the FBI, ATF, etc.
*ahem* *cough* *cough* *cough* *ahem* *cough* The Netherlands outlawed slavery in 1873 *ahem* *cough* *cough* the Berlin Conference that effectively divided Africa among European nations was in 1884 *cough* *ahem* *cough* racially motivated massacre in Amritsar *cough* Algerian War *cough* 2005 France riots *ahem* *cough* 2011 Tottenham riots *cough* *cough* *ahem*
Anyone have a cough sweet?
