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A rare misfire on his part. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t worship at the altar of Trump; he is human like all of us. If those Blackwater guys truly opened fire on civilians unprovoked, then I believe they should be sentenced to death.
On this subject: I would highly encourage you to watch this video:


It goes into detail not only about how the Blackwater travesty took place but also how media like Fox News led to their being pardoned. Full-disclosure, the dude who made the video is a leftist, but he does a great job at showcasing how media can brush over atrocities to push their own agendas. I would really like your thoughts and takeaways from the video, whatever they may be. It’s only a half hour long.
 
So you can post whatever you want, again and again, educating, explaining, etc., ad nauseam.
Suppose I was politically far right - which I'm definitely not, but suppose I was.
How long do you think I'd survive here, pushing my agenda the way you do?
Would I deserve "the same rights and respect"?
Just curious, no bitching.
No, because it's not a fair comparison. Conservatives will post some obviously racist/sexist/transphobic stuff on Twitter or whatever and then act surprised when they get banned. Getting kicked off a social media site for being an asshole is not infringing upon your 1st amendment rights. The whole "I'm being censored for having conservative opinions" thing is always disingenuous. It's never about politics. It's never "I support trickle down economics" and more like "I believe trans people shouldn't have rights".
 
Funnily enough in Germany it is not against the law to try to escape from prison. You will not get a punishment for the attempt (though you're obviously imprisoned again) because we believe that yearning for freedom is part of the human existence.

That’s one of the most beautiful law-relating things I’ve ever heard!
 
Hot takes with Diesel!

I could name a whole list of people who add no value to this world and who I think deserve death.

That being said, I also think the death penalty is a dangerous tool that should be outlawed. So while rapists and serial killers IMO deserve to die, the more logical part of my brain recognizes that executing people is often weaponized and misused and thus we should not give the justice system that power. There are countless examples in America where a person is sentenced to death and despite later being cleared based on evidence the execution is still carried out because of appeal issues. That’s fucked up. I value human life to much to trust the state with how they operate this.
There are definitely people who I think deserve to die. There are people where I'll be glad once they finally kick the bucket (Putin being one example). What I'm against is the state being the one to decide if a citizen should live or die. The final sentence of your comment summarizes this beautifully.

So, to make some sort of closure, i stumbled on this (links):

Regarding trans people in military and athletes

Gallup polls

Download Yougov polls in Pdf format

If those sources are reliable, then to say that there's no issues amongst US citizens, regarding this topic is not true. And if i'm not misreading those, then my dear @Vaenyr, what the actual f*k? And i'm saying this in a friendly tone.
I'll just post one of those:
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What do you mean "what the actual fuck"? What exactly do you think you've discovered here? Your first two links show that the majority of Americans (apparently almost 3/4!) support trans people in the military. Is that an issue for you?
As for sports, I've already addressed this topic in detail in this thread in the past but I can summarize this:

The amount of trans people is low. The amount of trans athletes is miniscule. Depending on the sport trans athletes have been competing with cis athletes for decades and there is absolutely no evidence of them "dominating" the fields. Not only that, if we look at actual examples we'll see that there are cis athletes who absolutely dominate everything, but they are always praised. No one cares that it is "unfair" that people like Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps have literal biological advantages that no amount of training will ever be able to overcome, but a trans athlete wins a single time and everyone loses their minds.
The swimmer Lia Thomas is one of the most popular examples by people who are against trans women competing with cis women. She won a single time, placed 5th in another race and 8th in a third race. She didn't place in the other races she competed. She didn't break a single record during the competition. Meanwhile a CIS athlete, Kate Douglass, broke 18 out of the 27 records that were set during this competition all by herself. So, not only did Lia not dominate or come close to it, Kate literally did but everyone only cares about attacking Lia.

So, yeah, many people are against trans people in sports, but many people are not aware of the numbers. They are deciding on feelings and vibes. Your third link shows quite clearly that the majority of people asked in the poll don't know a single transgender person, yet they still feel strongly about the topic because it is shoved down their throats by the right wing. So, I ask again: What do you mean by "what the actual fuck"? I never said people have no issues with the trans community. Quite the opposite, I've explained to you time and time again that they are literally harassed and attacked on a daily basis, that the number of hate crimes has risen sharply in the last few years. What I've been telling you is that on polls where people listed what their top reasons for the election were, the trans topic has consistenly been on the bottom. Your links do not address things that I have brought up, so I'm not sure what exactly you are expecting from me here.

On a similar note:
This shows how Americans felt about the Civil Rights movement and Act back then. Look at the numbers and how many disapproved. Are you going to argue that this change should not have happened because many were against it? Or are we going to acknowledge that deep-seated bigotry and ignorance is wrong but also difficult to change and that it takes work and time to overcome this?

No, because it's not a fair comparison. Conservatives will post some obviously racist/sexist/transphobic stuff on Twitter or whatever and then act surprised when they get banned. Getting kicked off a social media site for being an asshole is not infringing upon your 1st amendment rights. The whole "I'm being censored for having conservative opinions" thing is always disingenuous. It's never about politics. It's never "I support trickle down economics" and more like "I believe trans people shouldn't have rights".
Precisely, beautifully said. I still would love to hear the thoughts of @Magnus on the questions I raised in my previous comment though.

I don't know why this toilets thing is a big issue. Just accept trans people exist, and also accept Women are entitled to women only spaces, and start building public toilets as single occupant fully contained units, and let anyone use them.
The toilet thing is manufactured outrage. Everyone has unisex toilets at home. I've known quite a few restaurants in Greece that had unisex toilets. No one ever cared about that, because normal people just want to go to the bathroom, do their thing and go on with their day. Conservatives on the other hand obsess about the genitals of people who go to the bathroom and end up "transvestigating" and harassing people.

This is not far left. In 2025, this is, or should be, the perfectly normal stance, thank god.
I'm not far left because of those things. Those are left wing ideals. I suppose those and I am far left; two separate statements. I'm far left because I'm an anti-capitalist and socialist.

This is still quite unusual -unfortunately- but more and more people are doing it without shame. Hopefully more will do in the future. But again this is not enough to qualify as far left, or even left. This is, or should be, common sense. Capitalism equals not Democracy, we should never confuse those two.
Being anti-capitalist is a main pillar of the far left. It is an intrinsic part of it. Most people are still in favor of capitalism; see various center-left and green parties throughout the world. Most are neoliberal, very few are anti-capitalist and from the latter none are in power in the West.

That would be far left.
And I do not advocate for that on the forum, so that's why I'm interested in hearing from @Magnus which of my arguments and which parts of my "agenda" are not suitable for this forum.
 
What do you mean "what the actual fuck"? What exactly do you think you've discovered here? Your first two links show that the majority of Americans (apparently almost 3/4!) support trans people in the military. Is that an issue for you?
As for sports, I've already addressed this topic in detail in this thread in the past but I can summarize this:
By that I mean that I was not speaking out of my ass. I was not misleading and not spreading disinformation. My understanding of general infosphere is actually pretty good and my "impressions and feelings" serves me pretty good also. This topic very well may had influenced elections at some level. All I was saying that there was some division and doubt amongst US citizens. There are variety of opinions and etc. You again starting to teach me about trans people, my whole point is not about that. I have no problems with trans people. All I am saying, US wide masses are not homogenous (regarding this topic). The other opinions do exist and those are fully legitimate as long as you do not want actively to harm different people than you.
And You certainly owe and apology to Joanne Rowling, because she was spot on. The far left or whatever they are, certainly may have pushed too hard and overreached.
All I can say, please consider to abandoning Your "far" left and be just "left".
 
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This topic very well may had influenced elections at some level.
Yeah it influenced the elections, Trump was running anti-trans ads saying “Kamala is for they/them, Donald Trump is for YOU.” Notably he also stole this content because one of the biggest clips in the ads was from a comedian who was not a Trump supporter and merely discussing Trump’s campaign on his podcast. So the man stole the content for his ad and made the dude look like a bigot on national TV, and it helped him win. This had nothing to do with the far left and all to do with the far right, who are still pushing this hatred even though the majority of Americans just want to buy eggs and pump gas at a normal price.

And You certainly owe and apology to Joanne Rowling, because she was spot on. The far left or whatever they are, certainly may have pushed too hard and overreached.
Fact is, one of the (many) reasons Kamala lost is because the left did not see positives of the previous four years of Dems in office, felt on a moral level that voting for some who supported and funded the mass killing of innocent civilians was unethical, and just stayed the hell home. And before someone comes at me, I specifically said “one of many”. These leftists were a fraction of reasons but still part of the loss.

And no one has to apologize to Rowling except the black mold in her house that’s giving her brainrot.

@Vaenyr please don’t respond. It ain’t going anywhere and y’all are tiring me out.
 
@Diesel 11 I'll let it be, out of respect to you and the other members who had to endure my temperament. And to let the room temperature drop a bit after the last few heated exchanges.

Gotta say though, it is pretty frustrating that I have to be the one taking the high road (ironic, considering that's one of the reasons for the downfall of the Dems, heh), especially when my arguments are completely mischaracterized over and over again and when I'm not the one who keeps bringing up these topics and restarts already "settled" discussions. I'm tired of the strawmen, but I suppose the ignore function is the better choice.
 
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I'm far left because I'm an anti-capitalist and socialist.

Ok I am no authority by any means, but from what I've seen, I'd qualify the above as just left. Saying I'm anti-capitalist is just a word and I believe your good intentions but far left requires a level of activism that I'm not sure you have reached.

I know people who live in communes that could qualify as far left in my book, some completely out of the system, some they do work, some they don't listen to commercial "capitalistic' music, or spend their times in forums like this one. They take their news from completely independent sources and I don't mean YouTube.
They are super active politically and very often on the streets they know what happens in their city they have the network to act against injustices etc.
No offence but those people would never defend Biden (or Trump for that matter) and sure as hell no EU, or NATO or anything like this.

Being anti-capitalist is a main pillar of the far left. It is an intrinsic part of it. Most people are still in favor of capitalism; see various center-left and green parties throughout the world. Most are neoliberal, very few are anti-capitalist and from the latter none are in power in the West.

Whoever is in favour of capitalism I cannot see him as left at all. But again, that's me, in US once it was seen as left to drive a Tesla what do I know.
In any case I'm surprised that you classify yourself so far in the spectrum and same time you are aligned with the Globalist agenda in so many matters.
In any case, the words have little importance. Whatever I say, it's just words, I'm not politically active in my life (and I don't mean voting) actions is all that matters in the first place. But again, I don't claim to be left.
I hope you are active in yours.
 
Ok I am no authority by any means, but from what I've seen, I'd qualify the above as just left. Saying I'm anti-capitalist is just a word and I believe your good intentions but far left requires a level of activism that I'm not sure you have reached.
According to you. I don't really care about your own definition of what is and what isn't far left. I'm a socialist, socialists are far-left. It's that simple. Furthermore, you don't know me, you have no idea what levels of activism I'm engaging in, so you have no basis to judge that.

I know people who live in communes that could qualify as far left in my book, some completely out of the system, some they do work, some they don't listen to commercial "capitalistic' music, or spend their times in forums like this one. They take their news from completely independent sources and I don't mean YouTube.
They are super active politically and very often on the streets they know what happens in their city they have the network to act against injustices etc.
No offence but those people would never defend Biden (or Trump for that matter) and sure as hell no EU, or NATO or anything like this.
Again, it doesn't matter who you consider far left. A person of integrity can give props to people they disagree with. They can give credit where credit is due. I'm not a fan of Biden and have criticized him plenty. When the opposition consists of literal fascists you bet your ass I'll support the neoliberals instead, even if they don't align with my politically.

Whoever is in favour of capitalism I cannot see him as left at all. But again, that's me
And that's the point: Your personal definition is not really relevant. The center-left is characterized by trying to compomise left wing ideals with the system of capitalism.

In any case I'm surprised that you classify yourself so far in the spectrum and same time you are aligned with the Globalist agenda in so many matters.
Oooh, is the gLoBaLiSt aGeNdA with us in this room? :D

In any case, the words have little importance. Whatever I say, it's just words, I'm not politically active in my life (and I don't mean voting) actions is all that matters in the first place. But again, I don't claim to be left.
I hope you are active in yours.
I am. I'm not boasting about it here, because that's not the point of the thread. Again: You don't know me, you only get to see a limited part of my stances and opinions. I don't care if others classify me as truly being "far left" or not and I certainly couldn't care less about the opinion of someone who so clearly champions Russia and Putin. I hope this settles this little sidebar.
 
So, @Vaenyr has put me into ignore list/mode. I just wanted to say, that i'm truly disappointed. Despite our differences we could still talk (not about latest topic, in general) I did not put any member on ignore mode, even @____no5 is not there, despite his veeery different views. It is what it is, i guess.
 
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Suppose a case where there's absolutely no doubt someone did what I described above, would you still be against eliminating them just because killing is wrong?

There are many like this, like Ted Bundy, or Pedro Alonso López (more than 300 rapes /murders of minors -out 2 years early on good behaviour!! after serving only 14) and yes they deserve death. At least Bundy was executed.
 
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