Yax
Ancient Mariner
Yeah, might not be over by then anyway. Trump and Speaker Johnson have openly alluded to having the congress overturn the election if it goes to Harris (and if the House remains in GOP control).
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Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
The MAGA cult will never be satisfied no matter who wins. Because even if Trump wins, he'll never be able give them everything they want (an all white authoritarian America).
And since most of them seem very susceptible to wild conspiracies, just think how they will react if Kamala gets in. Another Jan 6th?
And since most of them seem very susceptible to wild conspiracies, just think how they will react if Kamala gets in. Another Jan 6th?
Spaldy
Ancient Mariner
You dodged the question.
But you admittedly have a point since some experts think that the actual world's richest man is Vladimir Putin. But we'll never know for sure since most of the money he's siphoned off of the Russian economy will never be accounted for.
And guess who Vlad supports?
Probably worse, much worse even.
DJ James
A coma stole my name.
I was gonna save my “piece” for this weekend when I had time to type on my computer, but I will say this now. I will preface this by saying: I’ve had a little “ironic” quips here and there in this thread, but this all going to be genuine and “face value”.
Rabidly following the American news cycle actively rots your brain. The main point I want to try to convey here is that: the America on CNN, Fox News, any mainstream news outlet, is not the actual America. It’s just not. The real America is full of normal people like myself that are just trying to make it. We interact politely with strangers, we make small talk, we get stuck in traffic, or waiting in line somewhere. We have families, work, dreams, ambitions, and we like to have a fun here and there on the weekends. We’re not wishing for what you said, we’re just trying to make it.
The last 4 years, as an American, have been the 4 hardest years I’ve lived through. I’ve seen businesses close down from theft and vandalism, gas prices go up, price of groceries skyrocket - my family and myself have all been affected from that. You might have a data sheet somewhere that says that not true, and that’s cool, but I live here and it is true. This all happened to have happened under Biden. Kamala was there too throughout all this.
Genuinely where is the incentive to vote for Kamala here? There’s more I’ll type out this weekend. Want to quickly shoutout to @Mosh man thanks for the respect, it made me realize that these are real people I talk to on here. I know I’ve said some dicey things in here and “flew a little close to the sun” a couple times.
Rabidly following the American news cycle actively rots your brain. The main point I want to try to convey here is that: the America on CNN, Fox News, any mainstream news outlet, is not the actual America. It’s just not. The real America is full of normal people like myself that are just trying to make it. We interact politely with strangers, we make small talk, we get stuck in traffic, or waiting in line somewhere. We have families, work, dreams, ambitions, and we like to have a fun here and there on the weekends. We’re not wishing for what you said, we’re just trying to make it.
The last 4 years, as an American, have been the 4 hardest years I’ve lived through. I’ve seen businesses close down from theft and vandalism, gas prices go up, price of groceries skyrocket - my family and myself have all been affected from that. You might have a data sheet somewhere that says that not true, and that’s cool, but I live here and it is true. This all happened to have happened under Biden. Kamala was there too throughout all this.
Genuinely where is the incentive to vote for Kamala here? There’s more I’ll type out this weekend. Want to quickly shoutout to @Mosh man thanks for the respect, it made me realize that these are real people I talk to on here. I know I’ve said some dicey things in here and “flew a little close to the sun” a couple times.
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
@DJ James , thanks for posting your view in a cordial manner.
I have to say, it's difficult to take "I'm just a regular guy" at face value, when you've explicitly stated multiple times that you want to vote for Trump because he makes people that annoy you mad. You have been informed before that on all topics that you mentioned and that you care about the Democrats are objectively better in every single metric. You've also been warned about what Trump's policies and agendas are, where your response was that you don't care to even inform yourself.
I respect your feelings on the matter, but I guarantee you that the last four years would've been even worse under Trump. A lot of what happened was directly due to the previous administration; that's how these things work. You can easily look up Trump's proposed policies and the fact of the matter is: another Trump administration would be disastrous for the economy. He and his friends would get richer while the middle and lower class would be eviscerated. Trump only cares about himself and billionaires, not about the common man.
I'm aware that nothing will ever change your mind, but I feel it's important to push back at some of the statements made in this thread, especially when they are literally the opposite of the truth or even straight-up lies (as some of the claims were in @Detective Beauregard's post). This isn't about ignoring reality or about "data sheets", it's about what's actually happening. Right wing media tries to claim crime is completely out of control or that cities like Portland have been completely burned down, while crime in reality has been decreasing for literal decades. That's just one of the examples.
At the end of the day everyone gets to make their own decisions. I just wish people would actually make informed decisions and spend an hour every 4 years to recognize what they are actually voting for, instead of falling for populist lies and going by vibes.
I have to say, it's difficult to take "I'm just a regular guy" at face value, when you've explicitly stated multiple times that you want to vote for Trump because he makes people that annoy you mad. You have been informed before that on all topics that you mentioned and that you care about the Democrats are objectively better in every single metric. You've also been warned about what Trump's policies and agendas are, where your response was that you don't care to even inform yourself.
I respect your feelings on the matter, but I guarantee you that the last four years would've been even worse under Trump. A lot of what happened was directly due to the previous administration; that's how these things work. You can easily look up Trump's proposed policies and the fact of the matter is: another Trump administration would be disastrous for the economy. He and his friends would get richer while the middle and lower class would be eviscerated. Trump only cares about himself and billionaires, not about the common man.
I'm aware that nothing will ever change your mind, but I feel it's important to push back at some of the statements made in this thread, especially when they are literally the opposite of the truth or even straight-up lies (as some of the claims were in @Detective Beauregard's post). This isn't about ignoring reality or about "data sheets", it's about what's actually happening. Right wing media tries to claim crime is completely out of control or that cities like Portland have been completely burned down, while crime in reality has been decreasing for literal decades. That's just one of the examples.
At the end of the day everyone gets to make their own decisions. I just wish people would actually make informed decisions and spend an hour every 4 years to recognize what they are actually voting for, instead of falling for populist lies and going by vibes.
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____no5
Free Man
Yeap. Propaganda and brainwashing are real guys. In every country, left or right. And at its most dangerous is in democratic, “free” countries, left press.
People in the “free” world tend to forget that media are shamelessly manipulating them. Additionally those on the left spectrum have the tendency to think they are inherently and morally right, and the outlets that feed them play on that.
There were 3 assassination attempts (third one under investigation google Vem Miller, October 2024) against a candidate in a span of just 3 months and nobody seems to blink on the other side.
Flaming Blimp Crash
Ancient Mariner
Probably because they were orchestrated by Republicans. Why Republicans keep trying to shoot their candidate I have no idea.
Regarding your point about the press, I have lived it personally. My BA degree from the 90s was in Journalism, and I can tell you from experience that I had to keep my political preferences to myself in order not to get failing grades from professors more interested in generating partisan propaganda than traditional objective journalism that would allow readers to reach their own conclusions.
chaosapiant
Ancient Marinade
While I disagree with your political stance, it’s still a well reasoned argument and I respect that.
So to answer your question strictly at face value: I’d rather be broke under Kamala than better off under an authoritarian dictator without NATO support.
(Note: as an American I’ve been fortunate and haven’t noticed much hardship one way or the other, so I’m using the above argument at face value.)
Vaenyr
Ancient Mariner
Vem Miller did not try to assassinate Trump:
www.latimes.com
It's always the same song and dance, those who vocally attack the "left" and the press are without fail those falling for blatant lies by right wing media outlets and are spreading misinformation.
This would be so much simpler if we could stick with facts, but somehow the pro-Trump side has to constantly lie and make shit up. Guess reality really has a liberal bias
Man arrested with guns outside Trump rally sues Riverside County sheriff for defamation
Vem Miller, 49, was arrested on gun charges Saturday after deputies found loaded guns in his car. He filed a defamation suit Tuesday against Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco.
www.latimes.com
It's always the same song and dance, those who vocally attack the "left" and the press are without fail those falling for blatant lies by right wing media outlets and are spreading misinformation.
This would be so much simpler if we could stick with facts, but somehow the pro-Trump side has to constantly lie and make shit up. Guess reality really has a liberal bias